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External Drive for Mac Studio with Mac Display

After doing a lot of research, I'm leaning towards getting a Mac Studio with Mac display and an external drive to point all of my libraries.


At the moment I have about 10TB of data, all of our family photos, video's etc.


Can anyone recommend an external drive solution? To cope with expanding data I would really like about 20TB.. but would also need a backup solution. So if I was to use a 10 striped RAID then we are looking at a 40TB RAID!!!..


As anyone got any suggestions?


I could use 2 x 20TB non RAIDs and connect time machine to one of them.. but I'm sure that would be a very expensive way to go.


Thanks!

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Posted on Apr 23, 2022 4:58 PM

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Posted on Apr 30, 2022 3:51 PM

ANY enclosure that can hold enough drives can solve this problem. It needs nothing special.


• Concatenated RAID is not really RAID at all, it is "just a bunch of drives" aka JBOD, pasted together and acting as if it were one HUGE drive. So you can take two larger drives, concatenate them into one Volume, and have a really big Backup drive, for example.


Disk Utility can do that directly.

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Apr 30, 2022 3:51 PM in response to smcrea

ANY enclosure that can hold enough drives can solve this problem. It needs nothing special.


• Concatenated RAID is not really RAID at all, it is "just a bunch of drives" aka JBOD, pasted together and acting as if it were one HUGE drive. So you can take two larger drives, concatenate them into one Volume, and have a really big Backup drive, for example.


Disk Utility can do that directly.

Apr 28, 2022 6:44 PM in response to ttys0

I agree a NAS would be a great solution, especially as out family all have matchbooks. However I've mentioned this before on this forum and when I start asking questions then everyone goes quiet. Here's some examples of the questions:

  • With a NAS then what are my options for an operating system? Apple don't make a NAS, I would never want to use that dreadful operating system called windowz, which leaves LINUX. Any suggestions or opinions on NAS with LINUX?
  • Can I connect a NAS with say LINUX to a backup solution such as crash plan?
  • Can my apps on my laptop map to the NAS... in particular: Photos library, Final Cut, iMovie, music library. I heard somewhere that photos would have trouble when the library was on the NAS


Thanks!


Apr 23, 2022 6:28 PM in response to smcrea

The R in RAID is for redundant, but RAID is NOT backup!


• Mirrored RAID is used to reduce the time-to-repair after a failure, and to keep drive failures from becoming a data disaster. It does not protect from human error, crazy software, or 'just-because' failures.


• Striped RAID can be somewhat faster in some cases (especially in an array built from Rotating Magnetic drives), but it is brittle, and you MUST have another copy nearby in case of failure. A striped RAID failure destroys EVERYTHING on it, with No hope of recovery. Most users would be better served by a faster SSD than a striped rotating magnetic RAID.


• Concatenated RAID is not really RAID at all, it is "just a bunch of drives" aka JBOD, pasted together and acting as if it were one HUGE drive. So you can take two larger drives, concatenate them into one Volume, and have a really big Backup drive, for example.


• RAID 5 computes checksums of the data blocks (in real-time, coming and going), and stores two copies of the data AND the checksum blocks in such a way that a failure in any one of the three drives still allows the data can to be recovered from the other two drives. It requires checksum-computing hardware to be seen as anywhere near fast enough for most uses.


Criticisms of RAID-5 include the cost and delays induced by the extra hardware, and the HUGE amount of time it takes to re-create a large data set using RAID-5. Re-creation time is so large, another drive is non-trivially likely to fail in the time it takes to re-create the data, making the entire concept shaky.


Executive summary: Most users would be better served using multiple drives to make multiple backups, rather than dedicating multiple drives to RAID arrays.

Apr 28, 2022 6:56 PM in response to smcrea

The room goes quiet because a NAS not better for one or two Macs. A NAS (or any computer acting as a Server computer) really shines when it is at the heart of a busy cluster, being accessed from all over the place at high speeds.


Problems with a NAS include that it is not MacOS, it is not locally-attached (so it takes longer to get to your data), and it really has no clear advantages over a large drive enclosure, or several drive enclosures, directly connected to your Mac.

Apr 29, 2022 3:46 PM in response to lllaass

Just an idea.. but I see that 10TB drives are down to a very reasonable price now. Would a 2 bay enclosure with 2 x 10TB drives for a total of 20TB in a RAID configuration... and then have exactly the same thing as a time machine backup. Would that work?


Then buy something like a studio computer and even a studio display and I have myself a 20TB system, with a backup solution


??


Do you think that this would work?

Apr 29, 2022 4:22 PM in response to smcrea

No. Completely off base.


The R in RAID is for redundant, but RAID is NOT backup!


• Mirrored RAID is used to reduce the time-to-repair after a failure, and to keep drive failures from becoming a data disaster. It does not protect from human error, crazy software, or 'just-because' failures.


• Striped RAID can be somewhat faster in some cases (especially in an array built from Rotating Magnetic drives), but it is brittle, and you MUST have another copy nearby in case of failure. A striped RAID failure destroys EVERYTHING on it, with No hope of recovery. Most users would be better served by a faster SSD than a striped rotating magnetic RAID.


• Concatenated RAID is not really RAID at all, it is "just a bunch of drives" aka JBOD, pasted together and acting as if it were one HUGE drive. So you can take two larger drives, concatenate them into one Volume, and have a really big Backup drive, for example.


• RAID 5 computes checksums of the data blocks (in real-time, coming and going), and stores two copies of the data AND the checksum blocks in such a way that a failure in any one of the three drives still allows the data can to be recovered from the other two drives. It requires checksum-computing hardware to be seen as anywhere near fast enough for most uses.


Criticisms of RAID-5 include the cost and delays induced by the extra hardware, and the HUGE amount of time it takes to re-create a large data set using RAID-5. Re-creation time is so large, another drive is non-trivially likely to fail in the time it takes to re-create the data, making the entire concept shaky.


Executive summary: Most users would be better served using multiple drives to make multiple backups, rather than dedicating multiple drives to RAID arrays.

Apr 30, 2022 4:34 PM in response to smcrea

In the US, apple-centric vendor OWC/Macsales has a good reputation because they pride themselves on their support. They don't sell any products that are "difficult" when used on a Mac.


and yes, they sell 0GB enclosures. Sometimes you have to look a a larger one, then click an option button for 0GB size.


Outside the US, you can use their products as a guide, and purchase comparable products in your market.

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