Reasonable external drive size for Time Machine for a 512 GB MBP?

I don't have a backup yet for my drive for my work computer. Never used Time Machine in the past, but it sounds like a good idea for this purpose. Right now this MBP isn't even close to being maxed out and frankly I don't really anticipate ever coming close to maxing it out since I don't use it for a lot of video.


My plans are just to use an inexpensive USB enclosure (I have a decent clear one) and a 2.5" SATA SSD to use for a backup. I'm scared about most external drives since they're usually proprietary with oddball stuff like direct connection to USB and not a SATA drive plus SATA to USB controller. Not sure if


I was thinking 1TB, but then I'm wondering what to get. And the prices are just crazy to the point where a hard drive doesn't really save much for 1TB, although 2TB is another matter where SSDs really just up in price. For an SSD I'm thinking more one of the big brands like SanDisk, WD (not sure Blue or Green), Crucial, Samsung, or SK Hynix. Other brands seem a bit risky to me even if the price is lower. Also in my search I've seen a lot of cheap drives sold for many $25-30 for 1TB. Some are really weird because they have a label design that looks really similar to WD or Crucial, but missing any brand name.


Would this be a good strategy? I'm thinking SSDs because they use less power and are quiet. It's going to be regularly connected as a daily backup so it will be powered to do bookkeeping functions and wear leveling.


I was about to use my old 500 GB Apple/HGST hard drive from my mid-2012 MBP that was corrupted and where I realized I'd never recover it - for the short term. Took a few tries to reformat it (had to erase it with a PC first since Macs wouldn't do it) but eventually was able to do so. Only I tried using it and it inevitably endlessly clicks, so there's obviously something wrong with the drive. But I suppose a 500GB one would be enough given I use less than 60 GB now.

MacBook Pro 14″, macOS 12.4

Posted on Jun 15, 2022 3:24 PM

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Posted on Jun 15, 2022 4:14 PM

Given your present usage a 1 TB drive would certainly be adequate, but 2 TB drives cost only a few dollars more.


Would this be a good strategy?


The best strategy is to have a sufficient number of backup drives so that when one fails, you simply throw it away and replace it with a new one at your convenience.


Reasons: They all fail eventually, and Time Machine usually gives you enough advance warning when it alerts you that it could not back up to that drive. So, reformat it and place it back into service. A year or two or three later it will fail again, so you repeat: reformat and place it back into service Eventually that drive's failures will become intolerably frequent, so you discard it without a second thought.


Meanwhile, you have been using at least one or two other redundant hard disk drives that haven't failed yet, and you are never without a backup.


Corollary: don't buy SSDs for TM backup devices. Not only are they too expensive to maintain three or four or many of them, SSDs almost never give any advance warning of failure. They simply die, and when that happens they can't be reformatted. You throw it away just like a hard disk drive, except the HDD might limp along for another couple years.


Lastly, speed is utterly irrelevant for Time Machine. The speed constraint is Time Machine's activity, not in read/write speed of the backup device. "Slow" 5400 RPM HDDs are perfectly ok.

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Jun 15, 2022 4:14 PM in response to y_p_w

Given your present usage a 1 TB drive would certainly be adequate, but 2 TB drives cost only a few dollars more.


Would this be a good strategy?


The best strategy is to have a sufficient number of backup drives so that when one fails, you simply throw it away and replace it with a new one at your convenience.


Reasons: They all fail eventually, and Time Machine usually gives you enough advance warning when it alerts you that it could not back up to that drive. So, reformat it and place it back into service. A year or two or three later it will fail again, so you repeat: reformat and place it back into service Eventually that drive's failures will become intolerably frequent, so you discard it without a second thought.


Meanwhile, you have been using at least one or two other redundant hard disk drives that haven't failed yet, and you are never without a backup.


Corollary: don't buy SSDs for TM backup devices. Not only are they too expensive to maintain three or four or many of them, SSDs almost never give any advance warning of failure. They simply die, and when that happens they can't be reformatted. You throw it away just like a hard disk drive, except the HDD might limp along for another couple years.


Lastly, speed is utterly irrelevant for Time Machine. The speed constraint is Time Machine's activity, not in read/write speed of the backup device. "Slow" 5400 RPM HDDs are perfectly ok.

Jun 15, 2022 4:17 PM in response to y_p_w

Because there is one obscure case after a software update where you will need to store more than twice your data (counting new, old and history) the "company line" is at least 2.5 times the size of everything you might need to back up.


The minimum is you should start right now with whatever drive you have, at least as large. as your data.


You can always add another drive at any time, and time machine will create a new stand alone backup on it starting with current data (it does NOT copy over the old). Then Time machine will alternate backups -- every other backup goes to every other drive. Since each drive is an independent stand-alone backup, the old drive can be removed at any time.


By design, Time machine works at low priority in the background. Do not pay extra for a Time machine drive that is FAST.

Jun 15, 2022 4:45 PM in response to John Galt

Is any drive completely removed from failure? Your statement could be don't buy a computer with SSD drives. I've been using a Samsung T5 SSD drive for more than 3 years and while not inexpensive, it's been extraordinarily reliable. I bought the T7 2TB drive as my Time Machine Backup for my new MacBook pro and while by no means inexpensive, to me, it's worth every penny and I have every expectation it will stand the test of time. But then, I also pay for Carbonite Backup for photos and documents, so redundancy is for me a good thing.

Jun 15, 2022 5:42 PM in response to lobsterghost1

Consider the fact even a modest capacity TM backup drive maintains several multiples of the millions of files its source volume contains.


Result: they will fail commensurately faster.


If you can afford multiple redundant SSDs, great! They are superior in every respect, but that superiority is wasted on TM.


They will eventually become cheaper than hard disk drives, and I won't miss them a bit.

Jun 15, 2022 7:22 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

+ 1 !!


The "cloud" of any flavor, although the latest "thing", is sorely overrated. Personally, I would never trust any of my precious photos or sensitive personal information to a nameless online server which can and will be hacked into sooner or later.


Rather than using TM, I am "addicted" to and prefer bootable clones and am staying on an older OS version on my main "work" machine for two reasons: it still allows me to use some pricey older apps (which only get used occasionally now and therefore not worth spending $1,500+ to replace) and that makes using CCC to do regular backups still a one-click operation for a bootable clone.


I maintain a minimum of 2 clones for every OS version I have plus 4 separate drag + drop backups of my Documents folder which has anything/everything I need - all on 6 hard drives (some 7200 rpm and some SSDs), all are partitioned.



Jun 15, 2022 5:03 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Grant Bennet-Alder wrote:
By design, Time machine works at low priority in the background. Do not pay extra for a Time machine drive that is FAST.


I'm not worrying so much about the speed, although the reviews I've seen on the WD Green drives left me thinking they would even be too slow for this purpose. I'm worried more about the weight and noise since I might be taking this on the road with me, and the constant sounds of whirrs and clicks annoys me. I just tried out an old drive in my enclosure that was previously used as a primary drive and it was kind of annoying.


I also would rather build it myself because I've heard too many horror stories about proprietary setup external drives just dying from a broken USB connector or board and attempts to fix it were either ridiculously expensive or futile. Some external drives use a SATA drive plus USB interface controller, but it's hard to tell which ones, especially when they could easily just switch to that since they never promised that they wouldn't after teardown videos showed otherwise.

Jun 15, 2022 5:10 PM in response to lobsterghost1

I am so glad that your SSD drives have not failed.


SSD drives, WHEN they DO fail, tend to fail suddenly and completely, and without ANY warning.


When Encrypted drives and Striped RAID arrays (of any type) fail they leave NO SURVIVORS.


So it is essential that you have backups.


In addition, with MacBook Pro drives soldered to the Mainboard, mainbord failure often takes out the boot drive as well.


In addition to daily-use drives failing, backup drives also occasionally fail. Some die from old age. in the long runYou really need more than one backup.

Jun 15, 2022 5:45 PM in response to lobsterghost1

I do not share your respect for online storage.


"On the cloud" is great for sharing photos, but is not a viable backup solution for everything you have. The stuff is not under your control, and is subject to sloppy handling, arbitrary changes in policy, theft, data loss [are they making frequent backups using best practices?], and bankruptcy of the company that holds it. It can easily take three days to restore it at ordinary Internet speeds.

Jun 15, 2022 7:26 PM in response to John Galt

John Galt wrote:
It's your money though.


I'll just say that I'm not exactly paying for it. I got a 1TB SanDisk SSD Plus. Not exactly the greatest, but I could get it today and it cost a little bit less than a WD Blue 3D or SanDisk Ultra 3D. I figure it'll be fine and it's of course quiet. The capacity was kind of a compromise. However, I don't anticipate ever going more than 200 GB on the MBP since it's a work computer without frequent storage of audio or video files. However, the work files I do have are very important even if they're not big.

Jun 15, 2022 9:52 PM in response to y_p_w

I guess also playing around with it I had issues with the speed and how long (or sometimes never) it would take to mount. The enclosure (using a Norelsys controller) was always recognized in System Information but whether or not the drive mounted (or maybe took a long time to mount) depended on the cable and/or adapter I used. One adapter consistency showed up as USB3.1 speeds, while another was just USB2.0. However, I did have a USB-C 3.1 to micro-B drive cable, and that seems to work the best since it doesn't need an adapter. All my USB-C plug to USB-A socket adapters have a blue socket that's supposed to mean USB3.0 compatibility, but there might be a problem with one.


It never mounted with my USB-C to USB-A hub, but that had an iPhone attached so I have the feeling it's probably not a good idea to use that for a 2.5" drive.

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