First Aid Warning: apfs_fs_count is not valid

The Warning occurs when I run First Aid on "Macintosh HD Data" . However, the final message is "Operation successful" Do I need to do anything?


If this requires an erase and reload of OSX, if I then upload the latest TM backup copy, won't it contain a copy of the same problem, or is this OSX related only?

Posted on Jul 22, 2022 5:13 AM

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Jul 23, 2022 1:15 PM in response to Tim Ball

Hey Tim,


These are great questions! If First Aid was able to complete the process and does not report it couldn't, then you do not need to erase your hard drive. If you complete First Aid again, does the same alert appear with the same outcome: How to repair a Mac disk with Disk Utility - Apple Support


You are right about restoring the backup too. It is possible that if there were a software related problem, it could return with the restore of the backup. Are you having an issue with your Mac that led you to repair the drive using Disk Utility?


Keep us posted.


Take care!

Jul 25, 2022 7:36 AM in response to Tim Ball

If it could not be repaired from Internet Recovery Mode, then I would erase the whole physical drive if this is an Intel Mac. I don't know why Apple allows unfixed errors to be considered "Ok" since I have had several of our organization's Macs have definite issues caused by unfixed errors. After erasing the drive and cloning the contents back, the issues went away each time.


How you erase the drive depends on the OS you are installing. If you are reinstalling macOS 10.14+, then you will need to erase the physical drive as GUID partition and APFS (top option). If you are reinstalling macOS 10.13 or earlier, then you will need to erase the physical drive as GUID partition and MacOS Extended (Journaled). If you are installing macOS 10.13, then the macOS installer will convert the HFS+ volume to APFS.

Jul 24, 2022 9:01 AM in response to Tim Ball

Tim Ball,


Are you running the First Aid option while in macOS Recovery? If not, do you get the same messages when completing that process from the macOS Recovery? How to repair a Mac disk with Disk Utility - Apple Support


Also, are you able to back up your Mac using Time Machine without any issues or errors? Back up your Mac with Time Machine - Apple Support


Those details should help to isolate this behavior further so we can provide the best guidance possible.


Take care.

Jul 27, 2022 11:23 AM in response to Tim Ball

When reinstalling macOS you need to erase & reinstall to the "Macintosh HD" volume which is where the macOS system files are located. The "Macintosh HD - Data" volume is where the home user folders are located which contain your data files.


If you have all your data, then you should be able to delete the "Macintosh HD" volume which is your old system volume. After deleting that volume, you can use Disk Utility to rename your other two volumes (rename the system volume first by deleting the " - Data" part from the name, then you may also need to do the same to the other volume which has " - Data" in the name twice -- delete the second " -Data" so the second volume is then "Macintosh HD - Data"). The order of doing this is important to avoid name conflicts. Sometimes renaming one of the volumes will have Disk Utility automatically adjust the base of the other volume name as well, but this is inconsistent between various versions of macOS.


Double -check that the "/Users/Shared" folder does not contain anything in the "Recovered Items" folder which may be taking up storage space.


See this Apple article for details regarding the multiple APFS volumes utilized by macOS 10.15+:

About the read-only system volume in macOS Catalina - Apple Support


FYI, there are other significant changes with macOS 11.x+ as well in case you have (or will have) a newer Mac (or macOS) at some point:

Signed system volume security in iOS, iPadOS, and macOS - Apple Support



Jul 24, 2022 11:50 AM in response to Tim Ball

Since First Aid was unable to repair the problem you will need to erase the whole physical drive (Intel only) or the hidden Container (Intel or M1), then reinstall macOS before migrating/restoring from a backup. I honestly don't know how macOS handles a TM backup, but I don't think it will pull in any file system errors from the backup as the files will be copied individually.

Jul 25, 2022 10:04 AM in response to Tim Ball

Tim Ball wrote:

Thanks.
I'm using OS 10.15.7 and it's a quad core Intel Core i7, but old, (late 2012)

So, " then you will need to erase the physical drive as GUID partition and APFS (top option)." ?

If you are installing macOS 10.15, then yes.


Keep in mind if you are booting into Internet Recovery Mode you may not always get the macOS 10.15 installer.

Jul 27, 2022 10:42 AM in response to HWTech

Thanks for all your help.


All done now. I erased the Macintosh HD-Data, reloaded OS (and yes it loaded the latest, 10.15.7) then reloaded all my data from Time Machine.


I reran First Aid and no problems now.


However, I'm surprised that now I have an extra item showing in Disk Utility

There's Macintosh-Data, and Macintosh Data-Data? Data is now empty, and all the data in now on Data-Data?


I don't suppose it matters, but I didn't expect it?

Jul 24, 2022 7:26 AM in response to TammyW_03

The reason I ran First Aid, is that my cloud backup reported an error: "Backblaze detected a major inconsistency between the backup records on your computer and the records on the servers, and "froze" the state of your backup."


I haven't been able to find any corrupted files, but I thought I'd run First Aid to see if it showed anything.


Now when I re-run First Aid, the errors and warning are still there.

Below is a screenshot of what is says.

Jul 25, 2022 5:14 AM in response to chuckbl


Yes, the results are similar in macOS Recovery (Photo off screen below)


ie the same errors are shown, though not the warning.

I ran First Aid a few times to be sure it couldn't mend it. (This is on Macintosh HD-Data. Macintosh HD and MacOS Base System showed no errors)

Time Machine backs up no problem, and when I performed First Aid on the backup EHD, no errors found.


I suspect this points to erasing the drive and reinstalling macOS (I'm on Intel) so Mac OS Extended (Journalled) I presume?


Thanks for your help.

Jul 28, 2022 3:26 AM in response to HWTech

Thanks, Re: "When reinstalling macOS you need to erase & reinstall to the "Macintosh HD" volume which is where the macOS system files are located. The "Macintosh HD - Data" volume is where the home user folders are located which contain your data files."


It was only The "Macintosh HD-Data" volume that First Aid showed the error/warning messages with, not the "Macintosh HD" volume. That is why I erased and reinstalled to the Macintosh HD-Data volume.

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