Storage affected by RAW files

I have over 28000 images in Photos and every action is frustrating slow. I am scared to upload the 1000+ images I recently took on holiday because I know it will make things even worse (if that is possible).

I have been manually going through trying to delete images that I don't need to keep.

Most of my images are just JPEGs. I have some RAW images that have been edited and I have some images that have both RAW and JPEG info, where I have chosen to edit and keep the JPEG, but I haven't deleted the RAW.

I know how to do this (by exporting just the edited JPEG, ready to re-import and then deleting RAW/JPEG files, and then reimporting the edited JPEG). I realise I could have exported both originals and re-imported the JPEG before editing, which would have enabled non-destructive editing, but I'm doing it in hindsight and so will have to sacrifice the original unedited files.


My question is, by going through and deleting all the RAW files that I am never planning on using, will it free up sufficient storage space to make it worthwhile?


Any advice would be appreciated!

iMac 21.5″ 4K, 10.13

Posted on Aug 12, 2022 3:50 PM

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Posted on Aug 12, 2022 4:06 PM

It depends on what you are trying to achieve.


The performance/speed will not IMO be improved by reducing the storage. You need to understand what is making it slow.


Where is your library stored. If on an external drive, what is the format?

Are you running any firewall/security/speedup/cleanup/duplicate removal apps?

How much free space do you have on your mac - and on the drive that stores the library?

Are you using iCloud - if so, do you have optimise mac storage set?

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Aug 12, 2022 4:06 PM in response to PunchandJudie

It depends on what you are trying to achieve.


The performance/speed will not IMO be improved by reducing the storage. You need to understand what is making it slow.


Where is your library stored. If on an external drive, what is the format?

Are you running any firewall/security/speedup/cleanup/duplicate removal apps?

How much free space do you have on your mac - and on the drive that stores the library?

Are you using iCloud - if so, do you have optimise mac storage set?

Aug 13, 2022 2:14 AM in response to PunchandJudie

When you go to the trouble of shooting RAW, always do it by editing the RAW and not a file derived from the RAW, only this way you will preserve the full quality.

My workflow is somewhat similar to Matti‘s:

  • I am deleting all bad shots and tagging the remaining photos with locations, titles, keywords with Houdah Geo before importing them to Photos, then archiving the keepers on an external volume.
  • After importing the photos to Photos I am adjusting the very best shots, export the edited version as a TIFF, then convert the TiFFs to HEIC to compress them and reimport the edited version to Photos, delete the originals. The HEIC versions are needing only halft the storage of a JPEG of the same quality.


Aug 16, 2022 8:24 PM in response to PunchandJudie

Typical reasons for Photos being slow might be (on macOS 10.13 High Sierra, without iCloud Photos):

  • some damaged or incompatible video or image file or audio file in your Photos Library - are there any white thumbnails or files that are neither jpeg nor RAW?
  • too many smart albums - how many smart albums are you using?
  • a library corruption. Have you already tried to repair the library?


Do you remember when the slowness started? Did it happen just recently? after a system upgrade Photos will be slow and unresponsive for quite some time, because it needs to scan the the library again for face detection and object recognition. For a large library it may take several weeks. To speed it up keep the mac running over night, when you are not using it.

Aug 16, 2022 1:44 PM in response to Yer_Man

Hi again,

Here's some info about my Mac (taken from an EtreCheck). It does indeed look as though I have sufficient storage on my hard drive. My husband wonders if insufficient RAM could be an issue.

(I have uninstalled Norton and a redundant flash drive as highlighted by the EtreCheck report and I am now also making sure I completely quit Chrome and other apps when I am using Photos.)


Hardware Information:

iMac (Retina 4K, 21.5-inch, 2017)


iMac Model: iMac18,2


3.4 GHz Intel Core i5 (i5-7500) CPU: 4-core


8 GB RAM

BANK 0/DIMM0 - 4 GB DDR4 2400

BANK 1/DIMM0 - 4 GB DDR4 2400

Video Information:

Radeon Pro 560 - VRAM: 4096 MB

iMac (built-in) 4096 x 2304



Drives:

disk0 - APPLE HDD HTS541010A9E632 1.00 TB (Mechanical - 5400 RPM)

Internal SATA 3 Gigabit Serial ATA


disk0s1 - EFI (MS-DOS FAT32) [EFI] 210 MB

disk0s2 [Fusion Drive] 999.35 GB


disk2 - Macintosh HD (Journaled HFS+) 1.03 TB (689.12 GB used)

disk0s3 - Recovery HD (Journaled HFS+) [Recovery] 650 MB


disk1 - APPLE SSD SM0032L 28.00 GB (Solid State - TRIM: Yes)

Internal PCI-Express 8.0 GT/s x2 NVM Express


disk1s1 - EFI [EFI] 315 MB

disk1s2 [Fusion Drive] 27.55 GB


disk2 - Macintosh HD (Journaled HFS+) 1.03 TB (689.12 GB used)

disk1s3 - Boot OS X 134 MB



Mounted Volumes:

disk2 - Macintosh HD

Filesystem: Journaled HFS+

Mount point: /


Fusion drive

Used: 689.12 GB

Size: 1.03 TB

Free: 336.59 GB

Available: 340.84 GB


Network:

Interface en0: Ethernet

Interface en5: iPhone

Interface en1: Wi-Fi


802.11 a/b/g/n/ac


Interface en4: Bluetooth PAN

Interface bridge0: Thunderbolt Bridge

iCloud Quota: 72.07 GB available


Printer sharing: Enabled


System Software:

macOS High Sierra 10.13.6 (17G14042)






Aug 15, 2022 11:19 AM in response to PunchandJudie

HOWEVER, after exported the edited image from Photos and then deleting the JPEG/RAW files, when I re-import the JPEG from a folder on my desktop (without any further editing), the file size has actually increased, usually from around 8 or 9MB to 13 or 14MB. I don't understand why it's now a bigger file!


What export settings did you use? If you used a high quality export setting then less compression is applied to your image than your camera did. Hence the larger file size.

Aug 15, 2022 8:29 AM in response to TonyCollinet

Hi, thanks for your reply.

I was trying to free up storage in the hope that Photos would stop getting the beach ball for every action I try to do.

I have recently deleted Norton and a flash drive and am working through a few other tips about 'minor issues' that EtreCheck threw up. This is my current storage situation. I use time machine to 'back up' on an external hard drive. But otherwise everything is stored on my computer. I use iCloud on my phone, but have chosen not to sync with Photos on my computer.


What is really puzzling me as I have tried to reduce the storage my photos are taking up is this. When I have taken certain landscape photos I have shot in RAW. Sometimes I have chosen to just use the JPEG after all, so I thought I should get rid of the RAW and expected this to reduce the file size. HOWEVER, after exported the edited image from Photos and then deleting the JPEG/RAW files, when I re-import the JPEG from a folder on my desktop (without any further editing), the file size has actually increased, usually from around 8 or 9MB to 13 or 14MB. I don't understand why it's now a bigger file!


I realise that to separate the RAW and JPEG I should really do it before I begin editing, but I'm doing this in hindsight and don't want to lose the previously edited JPEG.


Once I have re-imported the image, it doesn't have the little icon saying that it is still JPEG and RAW, so surely the file size shouldn't have increased from when it was a JPEG with a RAW lurking somewhere in the background. Does the unused RAW take up as much storage as it does if it is the chosen format?


It's currently doing my head in!


Aug 16, 2022 6:40 AM in response to Yer_Man

I do prefer to preserve the digital negative. The only reason I am doing this dance is because Photos is working so frustratingly slowly that I am doing anything I can to try to increase my storage and hopefully speed things up a bit.

Most of the time now I just shoot in JPEG, shooting in RAW when the shooting conditions suggest that it may be a better option. I was a semi-pro landscape photographer for a number of years when I lived on the south coast (UK) and sold my work in a number of art trails and galleries and it was important to be able to produce the best from each image.

However, I had to move away to the north of the country to look after a family member and that has limited my opportunities. So now I mainly use my camera to photograph my grandkids and I occasionally get out in nature. Because the photos are only for my own pleasure or sharing on social mediaI I don't feel it's so essential to shoot in RAW.

I recently had my first holiday in a number of years and well took over 1000 shots in beautiful North Devon - I haven't been able to go through these yet or edit them because my computer is continually beach-balling. Hence the dance and the sacrifice of originals taken a number of years ago that may be taking up much-needed storage space!

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