When will you fix Messages on M1 iMac's running Monterey?

Ever since the Monterey update from 12.2 and higher....people CANT DELETE THEIR MESSAGES on the Messages app on their M1 iMacs. Ya'll have a glitch in there and no one at Apple Support is passing this issue up to the software developers. 12.5.1 just came out today and the problem is still there.


The only way to delete your texts is to physically delete each sentence in your conversation manually (or hold the command key and select each sentence and then hit the delete key. Then you can delete the conversation once the screen is cleared of conversation). You cant swipe right and delete conversation. You cant delete conversation from the menu. You cant even clear transcript from the menu and then delete conversation. The only way is how I described above.


This is my 2nd new machine. I bought a new one and after 8 senior level support folks at Apple Support couldn't fix it...they deemed I had a faulty computer. So they sent me a BRAND NEW iMAC. Guess what? The new one still does it. It's a software issue. Something to do with Monterey higher than 12.2 and the M1 iMacs. I know this because a family member has an intel iMac running the newest Monterey updates and this doesn't happen to her at all.


Fix your products Apple! I didn't spend $2,000 on a machine that cant even delete your texts.

Jeffrey’s M1 iMac 24"

Posted on Aug 18, 2022 5:39 PM

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Aug 20, 2022 11:08 AM in response to JnSD

JnSD wrote:

No...neither of those are installed. I barely have installed anything since the machine is like a week old. Only thing I've installed is the new version of Microsoft Office for Mac (Word, Excel, Powerpoint)....and a couple design programs from the Apple Store like Seashore, Fotor Photo Editor, Vectornator, PDF Professional. Thats all. And I made sure they're all M1 native programs. None are using that Rosetta thing. For browsers I use Google Chrome and Firefox. But I use Chrome as my default browser.

Boot in safe mode -- is the undesired behavior still there.


Also, examine your mouse, keyboard, trackpad etc. settings. Is right-click enabled? On conversations in Messages, right-click brings up a contextual menu that shows an option to delete conversation. Instead of right-click you can try Control-click. Or Messages => File menu, select Delete Conversation ...


To check other use of contextual menu with your Mac, keyboard, mouse etc., create a dummy folder somewhere, then right-click on it, can you select "Move to trash" and does it work?


Either something is wrong with your configuration, or you have uncovered a bug that only presents itself very rarely. Might still be a bug.


When you first set up your Mac, did you run the Migration Assistant or Setup Assistant to bring over files, emails, settings, etc. from before? Or did you copy files manually? Are you running as a normal Administrator privileged user?


Suggest you run Etrecheck and post output here, as recommended by P. Philips, who has experience interpreting the output. Etrecheck is open source -- the provider has nothing to hide, it's widely used, you can even inspect the source code if you want. You can also inspect the output before posting it (use the Additional text button below), there is nothing there that can identify you in any way. Without the Etrecheck output, there is almost no information for readers of these Discussions to go by to troubleshoot or diagnose.

Aug 20, 2022 11:35 AM in response to JnSD

Sorry you are experiencing this. Do you have Message and iMessage activated in iCloud? If so, then this sounds like possibly an subtle iCloud permissions type problem and that would be above my level of experience. Do you have other devices also seeing text messages and iMessages in your iCloud account? Do those devices work properly where the problematic Mac does not? When a message or conversation is deleted on another device does it get deleted from the problem Mac also (it should)?


If your devices are all using iCloud for messages, you could always try logging out of your Apple ID on all devices, and shut them all down. Then start them up one at a time and relog in to your Apple ID account on each one.

Aug 18, 2022 9:47 PM in response to JnSD

JnSD wrote:

Doesn't work for me. Right clicking, swiping or from the menu. The only thing that works for me is selecting each sentence in a conversation and deleting that line.
Do you have an M1 iMac 2021 running anything Monterey 12.4 to 12.5.1?

Makes no sense why I've gone through two new iMacs and I didn't transfer ANY information from one iMac to the other. No migration assistant or anything for either computer. I purposely wanted a fresh machine with fresh software....and it made no difference.

My wife's computer is a 2021 iMac 24-inch M1. Right clicking, or alternatively Control-clicking, brings up a menu for the conversation that includes a delete option. Same thing for the individual messages (which can be multiple sentence messages).


Maybe boot into safe mode to see if the behavior is still there.

Aug 19, 2022 9:06 PM in response to JnSD

JnSD wrote:

Exactly. I can swipe just like you show in your image. I select the red box with the trash can icon but my message still remains. So the function to delete a message on the messages app on the iMac is there...but MY computer doesn't delete the message.

So, if Apple designed the message app (by design) not to delete messages on the iMac Monterey...why would they have an option that doesn't work? Thus, a FIX is required.

I'm not exactly sure what we're discussing here. We both are agreeing that deleting messages in Monterey on M1 iMacs doesn't work.

Your computer is not behaving like any I have seen. We have four here on Monterey, one is an M1, and I see scores at work (on Monterey, most are M1 machines). This leads me to believe that you are configuring your Macs in a way that interferes with normal operation. P. Philips' advice is the best: Etrecheck, which will hopefully reveal what is installed that could be causing this.

Aug 20, 2022 2:12 AM in response to Owl-53

The earlier posting, where the illustration image of " Swipe from Right to Left " was performed on M1 MBA.


I am now back on M1Mac Mini and completed the Delete of that specific Conversation appearing in that specific supplied image using the Apple Magic Mouse 2 and Apple Keyboard 2.


This information tends to support the idea of some Third Party Software on the problematic machine of the user is lightly the source of the computer issue. This is predicated on there not being some Hardware Issue or another agenda at play


Any Third Party Applications that will interfere with the normal operation of the OS,  is an invitation for disaster and comprising the Operating System


Certain Applications maybe available on the Apple Apps Store - this only means the Developer is prepared to pay Apple a portion on each sale. What the Application may do to the computer is up to the User to check this out before purchase


Any of the below should be removed as per Developers Instructions


This will include CleanMyMac ,


MacKeeper,


Any of these sound familiar or are installed on the machine ?


If so, suggest taking a moment to read some of the many posting specific to both applications and arrive at your own conclusion.


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Aug 19, 2022 2:05 PM in response to JnSD

Thank you for the quick reply 😁


Sorry but it does function as per Apple Design since Monterey 12.0.1 on Both M1 Apple Computer I own.


So, guess I am saying I can not Duplicate the issue appearing on your machine(s)


If you are willing to use the suggested Application in below, we may be able to get a handle on where the issue is or at least some idea why you machine(s ) are having this issue.


Understand, we are all working Remotely from all around the world. 


Therefore, we do not have the On-Hands experience the User ( you ) has with this computer.


The next best thing for us to having a semi - actual On-Hand experience  with this computer is to follow the steps below


Download the Application Etrecheck directly from the Developer. 


The application is free or paid from added features. 


It will take a Snap Shot -  both the hardware and software.


 The Report will Not Reveal Any Personal Information. 


Post back the Full Report - copy and paste - using the Additional Text Icon ( 3rd Icon to last )


We can have a look at the report for possible issues and may have possible suggestions to resolve the issues.

Aug 20, 2022 11:29 AM in response to steve626

Yes...still does it in safe mode. However sometimes it's more difficult to recreate because once I restart the machine the issue goes away for a bit until I start having conversations with people again. So that's another aspect. When I cant delete a message if I restart the machine I can delete it. But soon enough the issue comes back.


Mouse/keypad are fine. I right click stuff all the time. As I mentioned before...when it gets really bad the only way to delete the conversation is to right click each sentence and delete. And yes...I created folder or other items and right click them to trash is fine.


No Migration Assistant used. I wanted a new fresh machine with no old program. So no Migration Assistant was used on the 1st new iMac or the 2nd new iMac. Sure, I copied some older files to this new iMac. Not that many though. I moved most off my old iMac onto Dropbox. And then I copied them back to the new iMac. (I highly doubt some old copy of a file that I haven't even opened could be causing a problem with messages?)


I'm the only administrator. This isn't any high tech operation with multiple people. Its just me and this is just my home computer sitting in the den I use when I want something bigger than my iPhone or iPad.


I have an appt today to follow up with the Apple Senior Technician. I'll see what he has to say about this and Etrecheck.


The Tech guy said its probably some kind of glitch code between my Messages and iCloud with my account and they'd have to go in and probably research that code...which I think today they'll run. I wasn't quite sure what he was talking about codes and logs or how they'd gather that information. Probably something similar to Etrecheck. I dont know yet.


This entire experience is so frustrating and something a new machine I shouldn't have to deal with. I wish I never would have traded in my old 2011 iMac for this new M1 piece. I never had one issue with that old iMac.

Aug 20, 2022 11:58 AM in response to steve626

I did have all my devices (iPhone, iPad and iMac) synced together with iCloud. I have since turned it off so each message shows up on each device and I delete them individually. I have no issues with deleting messages on the iPhone or iPad. Its just the iMac. The strange thing is when all were synced...I could delete the message from my iMac and it would delete off the iPhone and iPad but the ghost conversation would still stay on the iMac. Vice versa thinking the key would be just delete the messages off my other devices....it only occasionally worked..but would always return. That is why I un-synced everything just so I was doing very little with iCloud if that was an issue. The problem is everytime I restart the iMac or something like that it like refreshens it all and it works for a certain amount of time. Then it stops.


All my other devices work 100% fine. And yes...i've already tried logging in and out of iCloud, AppleID on all devices. That was one of the first things we tried. This is why its so frustrating. And difficult to fully duplicate for technicians screen sharing. Thats why I started screen recording. Because each time they suggested something we'd restart the machine, etc and the problem wouldn't show up at first. It almost makes me think something is wrong with the messages cache. Its fine once it clears out at first but after some time and using the app and logging more and more information is when it starts to malfunction.

Aug 18, 2022 9:22 PM in response to steve626

Doesn't work for me. Right clicking, swiping or from the menu. The only thing that works for me is selecting each sentence in a conversation and deleting that line.

Do you have an M1 iMac 2021 running anything Monterey 12.4 to 12.5.1?


Makes no sense why I've gone through two new iMacs and I didn't transfer ANY information from one iMac to the other. No migration assistant or anything for either computer. I purposely wanted a fresh machine with fresh software....and it made no difference.

Aug 18, 2022 11:06 PM in response to steve626

I've tried every method of deleting a conversation, even they way you commented above. The ONLY way to delete a conversation is to right click on each sentence in a conversation and delete. Or command click every sentence (at least that is a bit quicker) in the conversation box and hitting the delete key. I then hit the Delete option. But that still leaves the person I'm chatting with in the To: section at the top. Then I can select Delete Conversation from the menu dropdown and that contact disappears. It's the only way.


And yes...I've tried safe boot. Remember this isn't my first M1 iMac. I've spoken at length with 8 different senior level apple support folks & none couldn't figure it out. We safe booted, created new user name, reinstalled the OS and then hard erased and reinstalled. Nothing worked. Thats why Apple sent me a new iMac. But the problem persists with the new one too.


I'm at wits end now. I have a feeling its something simple...or maybe the M1 chips in my serial series are bad? The serial number to 1st machine is so similar to the 2nd machine. Like only two or 3 different numbers and letters in the middle are different.


But one senior level person said you know its gonna turn out to be something simple. I said I know but none of the 8 knew what else to do. So thats why I'm trying the forums again. Maybe one person out there knows. Or maybe its one program or browser or setting that is different. Both new machines came with Monterey 12.2 installed. I had to upgrade. 12.2 it worked fine. As soon as I upgraded is when it started. 1st machine came with 12.2 and I upgraded to 12.4 and then 12.5. Still did it. Then this new machine it upgraded directly from 12.2 to 12.5. Still did it. And it still persists now with 12.5.1

Aug 19, 2022 2:20 AM in response to JnSD

Q - " The only way to delete your texts is to physically delete each sentence in your conversation manually (or hold the command key and select each sentence and then hit the delete key. The only way to delete your texts is to physically delete each sentence in your conversation manually (or hold the command key and select each sentence and then hit the delete key. Then you can delete the conversation once the screen is cleared of conversation). You cant swipe right and delete conversation. You cant delete conversation from the menu. You cant even clear transcript from the menu and then delete conversation. The only way is how I described above. "


A - Yes that is very correct


A - There is No Fix required.


To parse words.


Fix implies it did work otherwise in the initial release of Monterey version 12.0.1 and in subsequent versions, it does not work.


Not the case.


This Specific Feature was and remains not offered as a Feature in any version of Monterey including, as you rightly observed , not in Monterey 12.5.1


The user can offer up Product Feedback - Apple to Apple thought, this late in the Development of Monterey, it is doubtful any new Added Features will be added.


Running M1 Mac Mini and M1 MBA both on Monterey 12.5.1 and the Feature is not present and do not expect it will be in Monterey


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Aug 19, 2022 9:30 PM in response to steve626

Yes, its not behaving correctly. Been on the phone with Apple Senior Support again and I believe they're going to install some kind of activity or monitor log and then review that to see where the glitch is. They're saying it has to be something between my Messages and how it communicates with iCloud. Tried to duplicate via screenshare with the advisor and ironically it only did it a couple times and not to the effect it normally does, as fate would have it. I screen recorded it a few times to pass along and they're calling me tomorrow for the next steps.


I just dont know what I could have configured to mess up the ability to delete a message. I asked if I might have a program or other app that would cause this and he said its really doubtful. And I dont have hardly anything installed anyways. I've never heard of this Etrecheck and will ask the Apple Support folks about it and its safety. I dont see it available on the Apple Store.

Aug 20, 2022 1:50 AM in response to JnSD

Any Third Party Applications that will interfere with the normal operation of the OS,  is an invitation for disaster and comprising the Operating System


Certain Applications maybe available on the Apple Apps Store - this only means the Developer is prepared to pay Apple a portion on each sale. What the Application may do to the computer is up to the User to check this out before purchase


Any of the below should be removed as per Developers Instructions


This will include CleanMyMac ,


MacKeeper,


Any of these sound familiar or are installed on the machine ?


If so, suggest taking a moment to read some of the many posting specific to both applications and arrive at your own conclusion.

Aug 19, 2022 3:37 AM in response to Owl-53

I can't tell if you're being serious or snarky. Are you saying the ability to delete messages from the messages app on an M1 iMac running Monterey never existed? And if that's the case...how did 8 different senior level Apple Support Technicians not know this and go to the expense (and hassle) of sending me a new machine?


And as for your definition of fix. If you read my inquiry fully...I said it worked properly in 12.2.1 of Monterey. So the fact it doesn't work in 12.4 or greater I would think qualifies that as a FIX.


I find it hard to believe Apple purposely wouldn't allow a message to be deleted. And if this "feature" was never intended to be part of Monterey...why are the prompts and options available to "delete conversation"? If this is true...then I truly hope they change this absurd "feature" with the release macOS Ventura.

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