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Sleep tracking accuracy ios16

I have been using Autosleep (available on the App Store) to track my sleep for several years and I've learned to trust it. Now that iOS16 has more detailed sleep tracking, I compared the Autosleep results with the Apple sleep tracking and there are big differences.


Notably, in my case (and confirmed by one other user on another forum) the Apple sleep app registers zero or very little deep sleep on most nights whereas Autosleep registers between 45 minutes and 2 hours. The average adult gets 1-2 hours of deep sleep per night so I believe that the Apple algorithm may be at fault. It is not possible to test actual deep sleep without an EEG Device but the algorithm should be a decent approximation.


I'd appreciate it if other users/biohackers could share their experiences here.

Apple Watch Series 7, watchOS 9

Posted on Sep 15, 2022 12:33 AM

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Posted on Nov 17, 2022 5:45 AM

If you look at the various data points/sources I and others have provided here your experience may be the outlier. I have never seen a report from any sources (AutoSleep from the Apple Watch or the native FitBit sleep app) anywhere near five hours of Deep Sleep (or REM for that matter). My investigations across three apps and two separate hardware platforms do not support your assertions.


For you to make such an absolute blanket statement (AutoSleep is wrong) is highly presumptive.


"how poorly I sleep"


This can be an indication of other hidden health issues. I had poor Detailed Sleep reporting from my FitBit for several years; very frustrating. Subsequently learned I have some significant cardiac issues; sleep stage detection is based (among other things) on monitoring HRV which my conditions impacted. Once those issues were resolved though medication the FitBit began to return regular Detailed Sleep reports.


I'm not a doctor -- all I'm saying is your problems sleeping (and the seemingly exaggerated Deep Sleep reports you get) could be an indication of other health matters.


For what it's worth.

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Nov 17, 2022 5:45 AM in response to edgargtryr54

If you look at the various data points/sources I and others have provided here your experience may be the outlier. I have never seen a report from any sources (AutoSleep from the Apple Watch or the native FitBit sleep app) anywhere near five hours of Deep Sleep (or REM for that matter). My investigations across three apps and two separate hardware platforms do not support your assertions.


For you to make such an absolute blanket statement (AutoSleep is wrong) is highly presumptive.


"how poorly I sleep"


This can be an indication of other hidden health issues. I had poor Detailed Sleep reporting from my FitBit for several years; very frustrating. Subsequently learned I have some significant cardiac issues; sleep stage detection is based (among other things) on monitoring HRV which my conditions impacted. Once those issues were resolved though medication the FitBit began to return regular Detailed Sleep reports.


I'm not a doctor -- all I'm saying is your problems sleeping (and the seemingly exaggerated Deep Sleep reports you get) could be an indication of other health matters.


For what it's worth.

Nov 18, 2022 10:45 AM in response to jjdub1313

Thanks JJ. Part of the reason for the post was the YouTube video by "The Quantified Scientist" where he analysed the Apple Watch algorithm when WatchOS 9 came out. He rated the Apple Watch as the best wearable for sleep tracking. I accept his results because he's very scientific but then I noticed that the Apple Watch was consistently reporting less deep sleep than other algorithms which on its own does not mean the algorithm is wrong. However the Apple Watch also consistently reports lower deep sleep scores than are considered normal for healthy adults and this means more investigation is needed. I belong to a biohacking group on whatsapp and I did a survey monkey survey on it - I got 15 responses. The most popular device was Oura ring followed by Whoop, Fitbit, and Garmin. All of the other devices consistently report higher deep sleep scores than the Apple Watch. In my own case when I used the Autosleep algorithm it was reporting 30-90 minutes of deep sleep. When I switched to the native Apple algorithm it is reporting as little as zero deep sleep and never more than 40 minutes (and this was after a long-haul flight when I slept for about 10 hours straight). I'm pretty healthy, I train every day, don't smoke, don't drink and have a relatively low stress life so I don't think the Apple algorithm is working for me.


Nov 9, 2022 7:27 AM in response to john buck1

It seems fairly clear that the Fitbit, Xiaomi band and the Autosleep app on Apple Watch report significantly more deep sleep than the native Apple algorithm. There is no way to say definitively which algorithm is best but published YouTube tests suggest that the Apple algorithm is pretty good. If you google "deep sleep in healthy adults" or something similar the results will tell you that the Apple Watch algorithm tends to report less deep sleep than is "normal" for the average population. There is a way to address the problem with Autosleep but it doesn't really solve the problem it just forces Autosleep to use the Apple values. If you go into Autosleep settings you can configure "Sleep Stages" to "Show Sleep Stages" and "Use Awake Stage" - this appears to instruct the app to use the default Apple measurements in the Autosleep reporting. I did this and now Autosleep and the Apple algorithm agree but the deep sleep value is still way below what it was in the past.

Sep 20, 2022 9:06 AM in response to mjperry51

That's super helpful. Very similar to my experience with Autosleep vs the Apple Health app. This strongly suggests that the Apple algorithm is at fault because the average adult should get between 1 to 2 hrs of deep sleep and we can't all be outliers.


Hopefully some more people will do testing and we can compare notes.


I have also asked the various biohacking groups I'm part of if someone will lend me an EEG device so that I can test using proper brainwave measurement. That will give the most accurate answer.


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Feb 23, 2023 6:55 AM in response to bucc208

bucc208 wrote:

iOS 16 Apple Watch series 8 does not accurately measure deep sleep when compared with Garmin and Polar devices. Data is clearly incorrect and the issue needs to be fixed. This is a healthcare aspect of the watch and should not be providing misleading information.

You can let Apple know your thoughts here:


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Nov 30, 2022 7:53 AM in response to CapeTownMacaroni

I always wear Fitbit and Apple Watch to bed. I have the Pillow app which uses the Apple Watch 16 facts. Apple 16 as well as Pillow in the past have my deep sleep almost 2 hours higher each night. Fitbit has to be right. I am an extremely light sleeper. Above is Fitbit’s last night results.Above are Apple’s and Pillow’s night night’s results. I have been in contact with Pillow about the differences. I have used Pillow for 4 years. Most of the comments on this forum state Apple shows less deep sleep. For me, it shows much greater deep sleep. Also, Apple and Pillow stop recording when I get up in the middle of the night to use the restroom. I am able to adjust the wake up times in Pillow. Fitbit shows I had 50 minutes of deep sleep last night. Apple and Pillow show I had 2 hours and 34 minutes of deep sleep last night.

Jan 25, 2023 7:46 AM in response to CapeTownMacaroni

Hello,


I was searching for this exact situation, glad I stumble on this thread. I have the same conclusion.


For example last night, in Apple sleep tracker it indicates 46 min of deep sleep.


I also use the Autosleep app and the deep sleep indicates 2h 34min.


I had a Garmin watch for a year, and the sleep analysis was more inline with the Autosleep app.


Like it was mentioned, I guess the Apple algorithm for sleep analysis is different?


Sep 26, 2022 9:07 AM in response to mjperry51

Some more data for you:


Apple Watch


9/21 12 Min Deep, 54 min REM

9/22 26 Min Deep, 1 hour 26 min REM

9/23 34 Min Deep, 34 min REM

9/24 15 Min Deep, 1 Hour 12 Min REM

9/25 31 Min Deep, 1 hour 143 Min REM

9/26 31 Min Deep, 58 Min REM


Applied IOS 16.02 Update on 9/24


FitBit Charge 2


9/21 7 Min Deep, 18 Min REM

9/22 1 Hour 6 Min Deep, 41 Min REM

9/23 36 Min Deep, 4 min REM (Only 5 Hours sleep that night)

9/24 No Sleep Stages reported

9/25 1 Hour 1 Min Deep, 22 Mon REM

9/26 12 Min Deep, 53 Min REM


FWIW


ETA: On further consideration I wonder if the Auto Sleep algorithm is different from both the FitBit/IOS algorithm. And which one(s) is (are) more accurate. Looking at my AutoSleep data for the periods involved the Deep Sleep totals are much higher than either the FitBit or IOS.


Fascinating



Nov 16, 2022 12:50 AM in response to Crisnl88

I have decided not to use mybapoke watch ultra to keep track of my deep sleep and continue to use fitbit and other sleep tracking devices to track, because indeed for bizarre reasons my apple watch shows extremely little deep sleep consistently (in terms of number of minutes only) vs my other sleep tracking devices which shows consistently over 60minutes or more.

Sleep tracking accuracy ios16

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