Sleep tracking accuracy ios16

It seems with this change Auto Sleep just reads and displays the IOS data, ignoring it's own.

CapeTownMacaroni wrote:

I did this and now Autosleep and the Apple algorithm agree but the deep sleep value is still way below what it was in the past.

I always wear Fitbit and Apple Watch to bed. I have the Pillow app which uses the Apple Watch 16 facts. Apple 16 as well as Pillow in the past have my deep sleep almost 2 hours higher each night. Fitbit has to be right. I am an extremely light sleeper. Above is Fitbit’s last night results.Above are Apple’s and Pillow’s night night’s results. I have been in contact with Pillow about the differences. I have used Pillow for 4 years. Most of the comments on this forum state Apple shows less deep sleep. For me, it shows much greater deep sleep. Also, Apple and Pillow stop recording when I get up in the middle of the night to use the restroom. I am able to adjust the wake up times in Pillow. Fitbit shows I had 50 minutes of deep sleep last night. Apple and Pillow show I had 2 hours and 34 minutes of deep sleep last night.

Hi all,

is this not all down to the simple fact that AutoSleep’s Deep Sleep metric is in fact just the Deep and REM stages from Apple Sleep added together?

And doesn’t that mean that AutoSleep is misleading in its reporting of ‘Deep Sleep’ in the clinical sense of the term?

EDIT: On second look, this appears to be the case for some of my results but not all of them. What I don’t understand, though, is what AS Deep Sleep actually represents. Is it the actual deep sleep stage, or some proprietary metric that they’ve come up with that doesn’t really compare to anything else?

Hello,

I was searching for this exact situation, glad I stumble on this thread. I have the same conclusion.

For example last night, in Apple sleep tracker it indicates 46 min of deep sleep.

I also use the Autosleep app and the deep sleep indicates 2h 34min.

I had a Garmin watch for a year, and the sleep analysis was more inline with the Autosleep app.

Like it was mentioned, I guess the Apple algorithm for sleep analysis is different?

FWIW just adding my voice

I’m a long time Autosleep user

Avg Deep sleep 2hr 12

Apple Watch

Avg Deep sleep 18 mins

What’s going on here ?

it is showing deep sleep when I m actually awake and watching tv

I have decided not to use mybapoke watch ultra to keep track of my deep sleep and continue to use fitbit and other sleep tracking devices to track, because indeed for bizarre reasons my apple watch shows extremely little deep sleep consistently (in terms of number of minutes only) vs my other sleep tracking devices which shows consistently over 60minutes or more.

If you look at the various data points/sources I and others have provided here your experience may be the outlier. I have never seen a report from any sources (AutoSleep from the Apple Watch or the native FitBit sleep app) anywhere near five hours of Deep Sleep (or REM for that matter). My investigations across three apps and two separate hardware platforms do not support your assertions.

For you to make such an absolute blanket statement (AutoSleep is wrong) is highly presumptive.

"how poorly I sleep"

This can be an indication of other hidden health issues. I had poor Detailed Sleep reporting from my FitBit for several years; very frustrating. Subsequently learned I have some significant cardiac issues; sleep stage detection is based (among other things) on monitoring HRV which my conditions impacted. Once those issues were resolved though medication the FitBit began to return regular Detailed Sleep reports.

I'm not a doctor -- all I'm saying is your problems sleeping (and the seemingly exaggerated Deep Sleep reports you get) could be an indication of other health matters.

For what it's worth.

Clearly there is a disconnect between the criteria defining "deep sleep" of the various entities (AutoSleep, FitBIt, Apple, et al).

The best way to eliminate the confusion for end users is for the different groups to publish the criteria they are using (based on agreed parameters). This would also include the measurements made by the various devices, the expected accuracy of the device measurements, etc.

Face it -- rubber rulers don't work. Standards are needed. . .

I’m observing the same thing with my Apple Watch 7. It concerned me enough that I did a search to see if others like yourself have had the same experience. I have been logging 30 min on average for deep sleep. This is well below the recommended.

Before my Apple Watch, I had a Fitbit Ionic for years. It consistently recorded that I was getting the normal level deep sleep minutes.

I’d like to think the Apple Watch algorithm is off. That said, I don’t often wake up well rested even on a solid 8 hrs. And so it has me thinking that maybe the Apple Watch is picking something up on my sleep patterns that the Ionic did not?

Thanks I have done as you suggested as Apple Health deep sleep figures correlate much better with how I feel I have slept and with the results from Sleep Cycle and more independently from my Wellue oxygen saturation ring results. Sadly as Auto sleep results were far and away better.🙁

Same here. Autosleep for years (though the alarm has an issue with conflicting with Watch alarm so may have to stop) and deep sleep reports at about 2 hours. Apple reports 53 minutes.

AutoSleep is wrong. Unless I get five hours of deep sleep, which I do not. Apple says one hour and I believe it, based on averages for most people and how poorly I sleep.

Thanks, I thought it was just me not getting enough deep sleep, now I know its probably Apple