Nickel allergy on macbook air

I was wondering if the Macbook Air does contain nickel, and the answer from all the partners, shops, experts, technicians & online is a firm no, since it is 100% recycled aluminum.


I am sorry to inform you all: that is not a complete answer to this problem (as stated here Nickel Allergy - Apple Community).


I suffer from a demonstrated nickel allergy and right an hour after I bought my macbook air, my allergy reactions started.


At that point I bought a chemical test to test for nickel on the macbook air m1 surface and...

It is confirmed: there is nickel, the chemical reactive test was indeed positive to nickel.


Please stop giving wrong information to people and start saying that you don't know the content of the so called "100% recycled aluminium".


Thanks to this, I now own a 2k laptop I am unable to use, and a painful allergic reactions on both my hands.


Happy holidays to everybody, and sorry for the attitude but I am quite unhappy.


P.S.

May I ask the removal of the aforementioned question since it is dangerous and misinformative?



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Posted on Dec 29, 2022 10:14 AM

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Posted on Mar 1, 2023 10:23 AM

I'm not sure you're here to support this thread NoctuaAthene, however, this problem is fully documented and concerns a wide range of Apple products. These products have been tested for Nickel and found positive, the most written about are Apple Watch https://www.google.com/search?q=Apple+Watch+Nickel&sxsrf=AJOqlzVrVmR_GUcTG360Nl0J3qpdPlGaXA:1677693779231&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjn24KuqLv9AhUEiVwKHa3MDcEQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1623&bih=914&dpr=2


I've 3 MBPs and they all trigger me in the same way.

A big recommendation is that sticking transparent library film on the trackpad it lessens the effect.


3 months ago my allergy all but disappeared, I removed the film .. 2 days later the problem was back [seems to me a reasonable demonstration of cause and effect].


In the production of Apple products nickel is blended with aluminium to make it more ridgid, it's commonly referred to as aerospace-grade aluminium. Nickel is a toxic metal that has recently been banned in retail products but it seems, Apple continues to use it.


I'm currently writing this message with plasters on two of my fingers to prevent this reaction from happening. Thanks, Irishiker for the fishskyn tip, I've ordered 2 sets.


If anyone is having problems I recommend the library film trick; I'd also recommend filing away the dry skin [it prevents it from cracking and applying quality hand cream, I use Clarins Men


Hope that helps, Paul

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Mar 1, 2023 10:23 AM in response to NoctuaAthene

I'm not sure you're here to support this thread NoctuaAthene, however, this problem is fully documented and concerns a wide range of Apple products. These products have been tested for Nickel and found positive, the most written about are Apple Watch https://www.google.com/search?q=Apple+Watch+Nickel&sxsrf=AJOqlzVrVmR_GUcTG360Nl0J3qpdPlGaXA:1677693779231&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjn24KuqLv9AhUEiVwKHa3MDcEQ_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=1623&bih=914&dpr=2


I've 3 MBPs and they all trigger me in the same way.

A big recommendation is that sticking transparent library film on the trackpad it lessens the effect.


3 months ago my allergy all but disappeared, I removed the film .. 2 days later the problem was back [seems to me a reasonable demonstration of cause and effect].


In the production of Apple products nickel is blended with aluminium to make it more ridgid, it's commonly referred to as aerospace-grade aluminium. Nickel is a toxic metal that has recently been banned in retail products but it seems, Apple continues to use it.


I'm currently writing this message with plasters on two of my fingers to prevent this reaction from happening. Thanks, Irishiker for the fishskyn tip, I've ordered 2 sets.


If anyone is having problems I recommend the library film trick; I'd also recommend filing away the dry skin [it prevents it from cracking and applying quality hand cream, I use Clarins Men


Hope that helps, Paul

Dec 29, 2022 12:18 PM in response to rcsquaredpcsquared

rcsquaredpcsquared wrote:

I was wondering if the Macbook Air does contain nickel, and the answer from all the partners, shops, experts, technicians & online is a firm no, since it is 100% recycled aluminum.

I am sorry to inform you all: that is not a complete answer to this problem (as stated here Nickel Allergy - Apple Community).

The post you've linked to was written by a user. It was not a definitive answer by Apple.


As per the Terms of Use to which we all agreed when we registered, views expressed on the site are not endorsed by Apple:


Apple Support Communities Use Agreement - Apple Community


Here is the information from Apple:


https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/products/notebooks/M2_MacBook_Air_PER_June2022.pdf


If you have concerns with the accuracy of Apple's official statements, you should take the matter up with them.


Dec 29, 2022 12:01 PM in response to rcsquaredpcsquared

Who are you talking to...? This is NOT Apple tech support this is a peer-to-peer support community, there are no Apple employees here.


Please stop giving wrong information to people and start saying that you don't know the content of the so called "100% recycled aluminium"


You do understand that nickel and aluminium are two separate elements, right...?


Who is giving "wrong information"...? The person who answered the, more than 5-years-old, question to which you linked IS NOT an Apple employee. There are no Al-Ni alloys, and so, if there was nickel in with the aluminium, it would be easy to separate as nickel is magnetic, whilst aluminium is not. Don't you think it would be a bit daft to use a magnetic metal in a laptop...? If you needed to take it on a plane, it would be destroyed by the security scanners.


Also nickel (Ni) is classified as a carcinogen by the CDC - why would Apple use a potential carcinogen in its products...?


Also Ni costs about 20 times more per tonne than Al, so a MBA made from Ni would cost considerably more than £1,600.



I suffer from a demonstrated nickel allergy and right an hour after I bought my macbook air, my allergy reactions started.


Non causa pro causa (non-cause for cause) post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this, therefore because of this).


Post hoc ergo propter hoc is a logical fallacy which states that:


  • A occurred, then B occurred
  • Therefore B caused A


You claim to have had what you're referring to as an allergic reaction to nickel about an hour you purchased your MacBook Air. The commonest sign of a nickel allergy is inflammation of the skin in an area which has regular and/or prolonged exposure to nickel. Let's say, for sake of argument, that there is Ni in the MBA's casing, picking it up a few times WOULD NOT be enough to cause a reaction, you would need to have that part of your body in contact with the computer many times and/or for a prolonged period for any allergic reaction to occur (eg a reaction to nickel-containing earrings). Whatever happened to you an hour after you bought your MBA, I can say with 100% certainty that it WAS NOT an allergic reaction to nickel (not least because there IS no nickel in the MBA).


At that point I bought a chemical test to test for nickel on the macbook air m1 surface and... It is confirmed: there is nickel.


Did you clean the MBA thoroughly first...? Did you conduct the test in a hermetically sealed chamber...? Or did you just do it in your bedroom/study/living room...? Unless you can be 100% certain the the MBA and the area where you conducted the test were 100% free of contaminants, you cannot make the claim that the MBA contains Ni. What was this test anyway...?



What you have demonstrated is the perfect example of a non-causa/pro causa or false cause fallacy.


I am sorry that something happened to you but, whatever it was, wasn't caused by your MacBook Air.

Jan 4, 2023 12:43 PM in response to NoctuaAthene


NoctuaAthene wrote:

What you have demonstrated is the perfect example of a non-causa/pro causa or false cause fallacy.

I am sorry that something happened to you but, whatever it was, wasn't caused by your MacBook Air.




I am sorry if I did expect the Apple support to interact here, my mistake.

About nickel usage, it is everywhere: even in pretty much every stainless steel cookware, what are you talking about?


Every time you go into a restaurant you have a 90% (and I'm low-balling) chance of eating nickel, shared both from the things you eat or from the cookware used.


And you say that Apple won't use it just because is a potential carcinogen... I would have hoped so, but that is not the case. As reasonable as my tests can be, I can assure you that my Macbook Air M1 has nickel on all its metal surfaces.


Again, not scientific, but my chemical test still applies, I even bought another (different) one and it still tests positive.


Just to let you know, it's a very acid reactive that has to be held in contact with the metal for more than 40 seconds, and if that object contains (even very small parts of nickel) it will turn red-ish. Some tests react even to other metals, not mine.


Now, I have carefully washed my Macbook air surfaces, and within an entirely nickel-free flat, I would be glad to know where could I have taken nickel to make that reaction happen.


I was just trying to inform people that read the other answer that it is not true, and that nobody in the whole Apple world was able to confirm that there is no nickel in their products, they just say that it's recycled aluminum and when I tell them about my nickel allergy, they say that they don't know the exact metal composition.


If you want to keep saying that this is an example of non-causa/pro-causa, I can't deny your position, but that's my word against yours (for no apparent reason, since I'm trying to help people that suffer from allergies).


But for you, it's not enough, and I respect that. As you have to respect my experience and allow me to inform everybody else that could have the same experience.


But since I am sure that all my products in my home are nickel free, or I would have not been able to live as I do by now, and you can be more than sure of that: I have a really bad and specific reaction to nickel, both by contact and ingestion.


Have you ever had a nickel allergy? Do you know that my skin aches as soon as I even stay in contact with a nickel-plated product for more than 20 seconds? Go tell that to my hands.


Tell'em they're wrong, while my skin splits up as a book.


Scientifically proven? Absolutely no.


But I had the same identical experience that I had with any device stating that it didn't contain nickel, while it did.


Of course, I can make the claim, it's the only thing that makes me have those kinds of reactions to my skin.


If you don't want to believe it, it's fine, I'm just trying to spread some experience since Apple support was not able to give me an answer to that, and the only answer I found online (first google search) was wrong, in my unscientifically proven experience.



You have no idea of what a recycled metal can contain, and neither apple support nor stores do, even if they call it as they wish until you have a scientific test made at the factory.


Just to inform you, all the metal alloys that I use have a detailed percentage of the contained metal and are entirely nickel free, since I had instant reactions to metal objects respecting carefully the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_Directive, even (and above all) when I didn't know or I didn't expect it.



Jan 16, 2023 7:50 AM in response to DrRay123

FWIW, though directed at the original poster, I can share my recent experience. I just took mine to the dermatologist’s office and there was not nickel in it (MBA M2). However, I was clearly reacting to the “starlight” color more than the standard silver. Who knows why, as I don’t react to my old MBA.

I bought a fishskyn cover and that seems to help reduce the reaction.

Mar 1, 2023 11:11 AM in response to PaulAnderson66

PaulAnderson66 wrote:

In the production of Apple products nickel is blended with aluminium to make it more ridgid, it's commonly referred to as aerospace-grade aluminium. Nickel is a toxic metal that has recently been banned in retail products but it seems, Apple continues to use it.

In what country has nickel been banned in retail products? I'd really like to read more about that if you have links.

Mar 1, 2023 12:12 PM in response to IdrisSeabright

A quick google turns up this Nickel Directive (94/27/EC), post brexit it became The REACH etc. (Amendment etc.) (EU Exit) Regulations 2019


https://www.businesscompanion.info/en/quick-guides/product-safety/jewellery-safety-metal-content#Nickelleadandcadmium stipulates that " it is prohibited to supply the product if the rate of release is greater than 0.5 micrograms per square centimetre, per week."


I remember reading that in certain markets it was banned outright, but I'm unable to find references

Dec 30, 2022 6:30 PM in response to rcsquaredpcsquared

I’ve had a MacBook Air for 10 years without issues. I just bought a MBA M2 today and my hands began itching and swelling within 30 minutes of computer work. I don’t have any nickel tests at home to test this but will try again tomorrow before returning to the store.


@NoctuaAthene, for people with multiple chemical sensitivities and/or MCAS, it doesn’t take “prolonged exposure” to elicit a reaction, as the immune system can be primed for a response.

Jan 16, 2023 7:28 AM in response to rcsquaredpcsquared

Hello rcsquaredpcsquared, I would really appreciate if we can learn a bit more from your experience.


We too discovered very recently that my daughter has a nickel allergy and we are in the process of making several changes to help her.


She is using an 'MacBook Air 13.3" - Apple M1 Chip' we bought in May 2022. Her skin has been breaking out around the wrist area which sits on the MacBook's surface and we are now thinking this may be due to nickel allergy. Googling around, Apple is simply claiming the material is 'Aluminum Alloy' and there is no mention of nickel being used in that material.


Can you please share how you tested the macbook material for Nickel?


Also, have you found some workaround to use the macbook safely without exposing the skin to allergens? Perhaps found some cover etc to cover the surface?

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