I am considering buying the MAC Studio

Hello all,


I work as a malware analyst - Reverse Engineer - so I use VM.

Beside that I fly FPV drone, and in the winter i can't fly these, so i want to keep practicing flying fpv using few simulators out there. Few of them need high frame rate, graphics and a lot of cpu usage, and beside (as i mentioned before) I use VM for my job.


So while I'm considering buying the apple mac studio, I read a lot in the internet that the MAC Studio doesn't really make its job into running windows vms (using Oracle VM VirtualBox), and it doesn't really take care the high frame rate and the high graphics fpv simulators like:

  • Uncrashed
  • Tryp
  • LiftOff
  • and many more


So what do you think ? is it worth it to buy the MAC Studio ?


Thanks.

Posted on Jan 12, 2023 5:58 AM

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Posted on Jan 13, 2023 7:46 AM

Okay, after all the comments the answer is quite simple. No, the Mac Studio is not the computer that will suit your particular needs. No, it does not officially support Windows at this time, and may never. That’s up to Microsoft. No, you will not be satisfied running your flight simulators in emulation mode. Yes, tinkerers will always find a way make something work unofficially but is that something you want to do in a work situation?


Take Grant Bennet-Adler’s advice

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Jan 13, 2023 7:46 AM in response to AmeerSa

Okay, after all the comments the answer is quite simple. No, the Mac Studio is not the computer that will suit your particular needs. No, it does not officially support Windows at this time, and may never. That’s up to Microsoft. No, you will not be satisfied running your flight simulators in emulation mode. Yes, tinkerers will always find a way make something work unofficially but is that something you want to do in a work situation?


Take Grant Bennet-Adler’s advice

Jan 12, 2023 7:59 AM in response to Family_Macbook

<< there don't seem to be any actual dataset comparisons online to show how the SOC are handling this >>


That's because they are NOT.


Apple silicon Macs, even using Parallels, do not run "off the shelf" Windows 10 or 11.


Intel software that uses Intel Virtulaization Instructions, including Windows Itself, can not be emulated with Rosetta emulation.


Most Windows APPLICATIONS work fine. Known exceptions are Android simulator systems, because they use Intel virtualization instructions.

Jan 12, 2023 8:09 PM in response to Family_Macbook

When I installed Parallels, it gave me the choice of VMs to use..Windows 11, flavors of linux...etc. I selected the Windows 11 ARM version, then the Parallels installer downloaded Windows and installed it. You get a free month from Microsoft to test with the Windows 11 ARM.


No special magic required. The information on getting a dev version of Windows 11 is at least a year out of date.

Jan 12, 2023 7:42 AM in response to AmeerSa

The Mac studio is a great computer, but uses Apple-Silicon processors.


if you need to run Windows, Intel-based Macs are currently "the only game in town"


Any running of Windows on Apple-silicon processors is still experimental, and the only Windows version that will run properly on Apple-silicon is for developers ONLY -- you need a Microsoft developer account to download it.

Jan 12, 2023 7:58 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

https://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/


I'm trying to understand what you're saying, but this page is what I have for information. They specify that when you install Parallels, you can purchase and install the Windows 10 or 11 key right afterwards and it works. This page also directly states it works with the M1 chips, so I'm struggling to understand what you're saying.

Jan 12, 2023 8:17 AM in response to Family_Macbook

That is not the "off the shelf" version of Windows 11 -- the article states plainly you are downloading the ARM-based version of Windows, and you need their special magic to do so. (The standard procedure is to register as a Windows developer directly)


If you WANT to use Beta version of Windows 11, you are welcome to do so, but Beta software is understandably "Not For Production".

Jan 12, 2023 8:34 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

So I found on parallels that it specifies for a M1 chip, you must install the ARM version of Windows 11. On Windows website, I then found this: "Windows 10 enables existing unmodified x86 apps to run on Arm devices. Windows 11 adds the ability to run unmodified x64 Windows apps on Arm devices! This ability to run x86 & x64 apps on Arm devices gives end-users confidence that the majority of their existing apps & tools will run well even on new Arm-powered devices."


And then on this page when you click "Buy Windows 11 Home" it takes you directly to purchasing a key from Windows and it is the same page that you would navigate to on Windows if you were to go try and buy it yourself. It doesn't designate between ARM or not. https://kb.parallels.com/9003?_gl=1*lhzvqv*_gcl_aw*R0NMLjE2NzM0OTYzMDUuQ2p3S0NBaUEyZm1kQmhCcEVpd0E0Q2NIemVrLWdMMUFtV04zN2I0dWF6eGM1X2w4OHFFQS1tQlgyWHlqeTRRSGVNTF9lVlZsQktVZXR4b0N0dmNRQXZEX0J3RQ..*_ga*NDA5NDQ5ODAyLjE2NzM0OTIyNzc.*_ga_CEVYC7924W*MTY3MzUzODk2Ny4yLjEuMTY3MzUzOTkyNi4yNS4wLjA.&_ga=2.14105077.331457994.1673492277-409449802.1673492277&_gac=1.216821476.1673496306.CjwKCAiA2fmdBhBpEiwA4CcHzek-gL1AmWN37b4uazxc5_l88qEA-mBX2Xyjy4QHeML_eVVlBKUetxoCtvcQAvD_BwE


I'm not seeing how anything here is Beta though?

Jan 12, 2023 7:49 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I'm currently looking at doing something similar with my MacBook and Mac Studio, except I would be using Parallels to install Windows 10 or 11. Best I can tell this appears to be a full operational method to do so. As far as the actual functionality, I am struggling with the specifics he is referring to since there don't seem to be any actual dataset comparisons online to show how the SOC are handling this.


So, I'm not sure about your developers only comment...

Jan 12, 2023 7:55 AM in response to AmeerSa

As I mention in my other response, I am looking at VM on my M1 Max chips and installing Windows. Looking at the system requirements for Liftoff specifically, it appears this would work in theory. I'm still trying to find answers for myself before I pull the trigger on installing Parallels and Windows myself, but the limited info I've seen so far, I feel I will be able to do what I'm planning which will be more intense work than you. HOWEVER, I do not have any information on FPS to give you at this time as it has not been something I need so I have not researched that part.

Jan 12, 2023 8:05 AM in response to Family_Macbook

That web site takes tremendous liberties with what it is EXACTLY they are touting. The top of the page does indeed say they have a working parallels for Apple-Silicon. But as you go further down that page the features touted are for the Intel-native versions of Parallels, and NOT the Apple-silicon version.


If you disagree, please contact them and find more specific information. Readers here would love to have more real information rather than the 'fluff' on the page you cited.

Jan 12, 2023 11:21 AM in response to Family_Macbook

I have provided you with the appropriate warnings. In my opinion, you need to probe more deeply before attempting anything like this.


Both of these companies have a history of sloppy marketing documents -- nothing like the mathematical precision of Mac documents.


If you wish to ignore them and proceed anyway, good luck to you.


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This posting is on a public forum devoted to these sorts of topics. I am a prolific poster here, and if my advice is off base, I assure you there will be a Pig-Pile on top of me, contradicting what I am saying, in less than a day.

Jan 12, 2023 12:19 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

You're not providing specific information for your claims. I have been trying to genuinely understand and learn from you, but all you have done is say to not believe the information I am finding, rather than providing details about how to find the correct information. Your responses have been snippy and not providing supportive documentation to contradict the only things I have to go on so far.


You also have not provided any plausible suggestion for either of us other than don't do this. A significant portion of the population uses virtual machines for various reasons. OP is in the research of a Mac phase and you are simply saying, Mac all the way, what you're asking can't be done. I am in the boat of having a Mac and looking for a solution other than purchasing a Windows based laptop directly because I much prefer Mac most of the time. However I as well as OP am looking to run a program that can only be done so with Windows. If it simply CANNOT be done, that would be plastered all over the internet. If it simply CAN be done, that would also be plastered all over the internet. Instead, this does not appear to be a simple or common task yet, which is why we are reaching out to others. We would like support to find a method to make this work.


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