How to prevent cut clips from falling into lower timelines on Final Cut Pro?

Hi, this is my first time using Final Cut Pro and so far so good, but I have a problem and didn't really get an answer from the technical service!


When I am working in a higher timeline and make cuts, if there is an empty space in the timeline underneath the cut clips fall there, making it all very confusing! I make music videos, so in the first two or three timelines I have full versions and on the top I want to put all the general footage. But when the clips start to fall and fill the empty spaces underneath it all becomes a complete mess! There must be a solution for this problem. My videos are not very long but this is a very professional software, so how do other solve this problem? We use a Mac Pro Catalina.

Posted on Jan 31, 2023 11:34 AM

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Posted on Jan 31, 2023 4:54 PM

Ok - a lot of editors doing music videos usually have a separate audio clip which can be placed in the storyline as the main object... If that's not how you're editing, here's a temporary trick:


Use a Basic Title.

Place it between (vertically placed) video clips, generators, and/or other Titles. Select and **delete** the text. Drag out the length to what you need for your project.

[BTW - this is an **empty** holder. It has no effect on performance.]


You can right click on the Title in the storyline and Rename Clip. Give it a lane designation. (As you scroll along, the name will follow along the left edge of the visible part of the title.)


You can also right click on the Title and Assign a Video Role (and give it a contrasting color so it's easy to see.)


If you need more than one, option-drag duplicates to create new levels.


Any clips over (or between) these placeholders can be cut and the pieces will not collapse in the "open gaps" that might be available below.


Something like this:



(Rules for connecting points remain the same.)


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Jan 31, 2023 4:54 PM in response to Frrancisca

Ok - a lot of editors doing music videos usually have a separate audio clip which can be placed in the storyline as the main object... If that's not how you're editing, here's a temporary trick:


Use a Basic Title.

Place it between (vertically placed) video clips, generators, and/or other Titles. Select and **delete** the text. Drag out the length to what you need for your project.

[BTW - this is an **empty** holder. It has no effect on performance.]


You can right click on the Title in the storyline and Rename Clip. Give it a lane designation. (As you scroll along, the name will follow along the left edge of the visible part of the title.)


You can also right click on the Title and Assign a Video Role (and give it a contrasting color so it's easy to see.)


If you need more than one, option-drag duplicates to create new levels.


Any clips over (or between) these placeholders can be cut and the pieces will not collapse in the "open gaps" that might be available below.


Something like this:



(Rules for connecting points remain the same.)


Feb 2, 2023 9:32 AM in response to Frrancisca

If all the takes are to the same playback track I think you should really being doing this using the multicam function. Assign each take an angle number together with your studio recording to make a multicam clip to put in your project. That container will show you all the takes in the angle viewer for you to make your selects from. You can then add the B roll on top as you like.


This is a simple four camera shoot, or it could be four takes.






Jan 31, 2023 11:45 AM in response to Frrancisca

The application doesn’t use tracks so the connected clips cascade into available space. It doesn’t impact what is seen on the screen. Is there some reason they need to stay in a specific vertical space? You can force the application to behave like tracks by creating connected storylines, but that’s just fighting the way the application works. This can lead to other unexpected behavior as the timelines are magnetic and will move clips horizontally, unless you use the Position tool.

Jan 31, 2023 2:04 PM in response to Frrancisca

Just apply the audio to the main storyline/"track" then all the clips will be connected clips to the audio. That includes secondary storylines. When you adjust audio, all the clips will maintain their location according their place on the audio (except if you delete a section of the audio that contains a connection.) You can change the connection point for any clip by holding down Command-Option and clicking on a clip where you want its connection to originate.




Feb 1, 2023 7:29 AM in response to fox_m

Thanks, creating blank titles is a clever idea, and will achieve the object of keeping the videos clips in the tracks they were originally in, so we will certainly give it a try.


As somebody else mentioned, we can link the audio file with the clips that need to be synchronized with it, to keep them in sync when other clips are being edited.

Feb 2, 2023 5:14 PM in response to Frrancisca

Fox_m's suggestion to use dummy title tracks to separate vertically is a good one. I think a multicam could also visually declutter your timeline even more.


Another idea to visually keep track of what's what is to use Roles and assign each of your takes it's own subrole and color.


Intro to roles in Final Cut Pro - Apple Support

Create custom roles in Final Cut Pro - Apple Support

https://youtu.be/fCrUffxS7wY


Since you're new to FCP, you could save yourself a lot of time by watching a couple free tutorials.


Steve at Ripple Training, 60 minute FCP tutorial overview https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqUP7Zgeuck


Izzy Video tutorials. Slightly older so the UI looks different but the concepts are still correct. https://youtu.be/_jvyrnQpR1E?list=PLp5SAgbM8S87n1qvv34-PAU2zMHLlXyfb


Jan 31, 2023 1:58 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

That is a helpful answer, however we would still prefer to be able to keep clips in a track-like structure. The suggestion of using connected storylines sounds dangerous in our case, as many of our FCP projects are for music videos, where some of the video clips have to be very carefully synchronised with a WAV file of the song, so if connected storylines can move clips horizontally, that could be disastrous in our case!

Jan 31, 2023 2:22 PM in response to fox_m

Thanks for your reply but all the clips have audio (for the general footage that is just background noise), and the pieces still fall down? Maybe I am doing something wrong, as I have no experience at all, but it seems crazy to me to have all kinds of bits and pieces all mixed up? Even when you make a puzzle you would separate the pieces according to the place where they are going to be? And my videos, as a rule are no longer than 4 minutes, which is the length of my songs, just image someone much more professional trying to make a feature film, with everything mixed up? My husband told me today that he tries to work like that and make sense of what doesn't make sense, for me it is a reason to look for another software, just he can now help me with this one. And others I tried, like Adobe Premiere Elements, were quite bad anyway! I am at a loss of what to do now. This is a bit showstopper for me.


I will try to see how to do that Command-Option works, thanks!

Jan 31, 2023 2:28 PM in response to Tom Wolsky

Thanks for your reply, Tom, but how do you work if all bits and pieces all are mixed up all over the place? I have only edited one music video so far, which I did with Adobe Premiere Elements, and there I had the three full versions of my song all on the top of one another, and then on the top of them I had all the general footage, which didn't need to be synchronized! That worked well, nothing dropped down but the constant rendering was making me crazy!


Actually I want everything horizontal, if that makes sense.......... the three full versions plus one line with the general footage. Isn't it how it usually is supposed to work? How else can one find what one needs, if it is all mixed up? Am I doing something wrong? Sorry, but as you have noticed already, you are speaking to a complete novice! This is my second video, even though I have my husband's help but he has always struggled with this problem!

Jan 31, 2023 2:55 PM in response to Frrancisca

The video plays horizontally, so where things are vertically really doesn’t matter, as long as they are in the same place in relation to the music. It gets difficult if you have a lot of layers that stack up and a small screen like a laptop, but in a way this is better. It won’t leave clips stuck on upper tracks when they don’t need to be there out of sight.


Obviously it takes some getting used to, but there’s really no purpose for tracks. In older systems tracks were used to define what something was. It’s on track 4 so it’s the narrator. Now you can add roles to clips so the narrator will be a specific color no matter where the clip is vertically or horizontally. It’s just a different way of working if you can adapt to.

Feb 2, 2023 9:16 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Hi Tom, I can ask my husband to make a screen shot to show you. So basically I make music videos. Usually we film maybe 3, this time 4, full versions of a song, where I sing in playback. That aside, we also film general footage, nice landscapes, vegetation, me walking around, whatever seems interesting to then mix with the singing. We also make a full recording in the studio, which becomes the sound for the video. That recording we put as the first track, I suppose what you call storyline, on the top of it the first full version and synchronize it, on the top of it the second full version and so on and sync them. On the top of it all all the general footage. Then I make cuts, everything that doesn't seem interesting is discarded. When that is done I start to assemble the video, but if by then all the little bits have got mixed up it becomes **** to make sense of it. In other video makers everything that is on one track stays there and doesn't fall down to the first available space, which it seems to do here. I suppose that because each full version is synchronized with the recording they would be connected to the audio? But it does not seem to be that way. As long as I make a cut that is smaller than the space bellow, that bit falls down.

Feb 4, 2023 2:57 AM in response to terryb

Hi Guys,


The multi cam option does help to a certain extent, however we have found that the earlier suggestion of using 'blank titles' at each level extended to the full length of the video. We might well try the multi cam option on the next video, as we typically have 3 or 4 full video takes of the song with Francisca singing, which in the past we have had to sync each take manually to the separately recorded audio, thanks for the very helpful ssuggestions!

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