System Data is out of control.

I have a Mid-2015 Macbook Pro, 15-in Retina, Model identifier "MacBookPro11,5"

I currently have a 1TB SSD installed, 595.8GB of which is occupied by the nebulous "System Storage" category.

I've purchased CleanMyMacX and run it several times, that cleaned up about 2GB of space. unfortunately, That's about all that happened.


I recently installed this handy little tool called Disk Inventory X, which gives a visual breakdown of everything on the drive based on the amount of storage occupied.

As you can see, "System Storage" doesn't appear as a category,

looking at Disk Utility, it says that the MacintoshHD drive is currently being used by 5 volumes,

but only 4 are listed.


to recap what i've tried: CleanMyMacX, DiskCleanerLite, PRAM resets, SMC resets, manually searching through the system directories for unusually large folders.


I'm aware my Laptop is getting rather old (it has over 1200 cycles on the battery), but i currently do not have the means to replace it or get it serviced. I just want my storage back.

MacBook Pro 15″, macOS 12.6

Posted on Feb 9, 2023 8:43 AM

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Posted on Feb 10, 2023 9:53 AM

Not exactly sure what is going on with your Mac. System primarily includes files and data used by the system, such as log files, caches, VM files, and other runtime system resources. It also includes temporary files, fonts, app support files, and plug-ins. Spotlight also uses this space.


FWIW. The "Other" category was renamed to "System Data" starting with macOS Monterey.


One thing I can think of is to avoid using 3rd-party "cleaner" apps. These tend to cause more issues that resolve them, and we get numerous posts here with folks asking for assistance with issue that turn out to be the result of using them.


Lastly, have you considered, completely erasing your system drive, and installing a "clean" copy of macOS ... and then, after you confirm that "System Data" is now more manageble, restoring your data from a backup?

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Feb 10, 2023 9:53 AM in response to FanDead

Not exactly sure what is going on with your Mac. System primarily includes files and data used by the system, such as log files, caches, VM files, and other runtime system resources. It also includes temporary files, fonts, app support files, and plug-ins. Spotlight also uses this space.


FWIW. The "Other" category was renamed to "System Data" starting with macOS Monterey.


One thing I can think of is to avoid using 3rd-party "cleaner" apps. These tend to cause more issues that resolve them, and we get numerous posts here with folks asking for assistance with issue that turn out to be the result of using them.


Lastly, have you considered, completely erasing your system drive, and installing a "clean" copy of macOS ... and then, after you confirm that "System Data" is now more manageble, restoring your data from a backup?

Feb 9, 2023 9:03 AM in response to FanDead

One of the primary "users" of System Storage on your Mac is Time Machine ... especially if you do not have a dedicated TM backup drive connected ... either directly or on the local network. When this is the case, TM will create local snapshots. In theory, they are dynamically removed ... but this may not always be the case.


Ref: About Time Machine local snapshots - Apple Support


Feb 10, 2023 9:51 AM in response to FanDead

You may also check the overall Library:


/Library/Caches


and see how big that one is.


On my mac, the one under ~/Library was 4 GB, and the one under /Library was 10 GB, nothing out of the ordinary, but some times a cache file or log file can grow out of proportion.


You may check the sizes of those, and of /Library/Logs, ~/Library/Logs and possibly other folder there and try to find out where some uncommonly large folder is - that may guide to the right place.

Feb 11, 2023 7:05 AM in response to FanDead

Part 1 of 2


Two cent here


User wrote "I've purchased CleanMyMacX and run it several times "


Any Third Party Applications that will interfere with the normal operation of the OS,  is an invitation for disaster and comprise the Operating System


Certain Applications maybe available on the Apple Apps Store - this only means the Developer is prepared to pay Apple a portion on each sale. What the Application may do to the computer is up to the User to check this out before purchase


Any of the below should be removed as per Developers Instructions 


1 - Disk Cleaner 


This will include CleanMyMac aka " BrickMyMac "


Read some of the posting and arrive at your own conclusions.


Part 2 of 2


Specific to CMM aka CleanMyMac >> aka " BrickMyMac "


The steps in #1 below is predicated on the Offending  Application has been Removed as per the Developers Specific Instruction 


# 1 Some Contributors suggest restarting in Recovery Mode and choosing to Reinstall the Operating System over  the existing installation. 


This may or may not replace elements of the Entire Operating System including the Home Folder ( User Account )  and replace any corrupted or removed elements of the Operating System and make thing right.


#2 - Then there are Other Contributors ( like myself ) would suggest  from this link Use Disk Utility to erase a Mac with Apple silicon.


For Intel computer >> Use Disk Utility to erase an Intel-based Mac followed by How to reinstall macOS


Thereafter to start from scratch and install all Required Application directly from the Apple Apps Store or Directly from the Developer.


If going this route - I suggest Not using Startup Assist to migrate things back as this will probably Re-Introduce the existing  issue that existed when the TM Backup was made 

Feb 10, 2023 9:29 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Luis Sequeira1 wrote:

Here are two simple things to try:

1) Restart in Safe Mode, log in to your account, then restart again normally and see how much space, if any, you gained

2) In Finder, press Command-Shift-G and paste
~/Library/Caches

Drag everything in there to the trash, and empty it.
Restart.

prior to deleting the contents of ~/Library/Caches i checked the size, only 500MB, it's definitely not the source of the problem. thanks for the suggestion

Feb 13, 2023 9:30 PM in response to Owl-53

spent all day today wiping and restoring from backup, When i went to restore here's the breakdown it showed me

so, the 2nd entry, the first one with the name blacked out, is my personal user account. the 2nd was my father's, the admin account. as you can see, the "System Data" category was most likely that "Other Files and Folders" entry that occupied an ungodly 500GB.


However, after migrating everything over, and verifying that there was no category labeled "System Data" in the storage breakdown, I return to make this post, and find that the System Data category has returned, and has already hit 90GB

Go figure.


Oh well, at least i have roughly 500GB of free space again to figure out the root cause. worst comes to worst i'll just wipe and migrate again -_-

Feb 9, 2023 10:57 AM in response to Tesserax

I hadn't thought of that, but considering i backup to a 4TB external SSD, I doubt it. some of it could be my iPhone's backup, but that would still only account for 64GB at max,


I read the article, and according to it

"Even so, Time Machine stores snapshots only on disks that have plenty of free space, and it automatically deletes snapshots as they age or as space is needed for other things."

Which is definitely not happening, occasionally the amount of free space goes up by a GB or two, but never for long.

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