Convert Rich Text to Plain text destroy body formatting

My work-around:

Get WordService from Devon Technologies on the Mac App Store. It is free.

Then change the Mail setting so that you reply to HTML messages with HTML.

Then, for each HTML message that you want to reply to:

1. Give the "Reply" command by mouse or keyboard.
2. Select all the text in the message.
3. Re-format the text by using the keyboard shortcut (command + &) from WordService. This step replaces Apple's bad formatting conversion.
4. Convert the message to plain text by using the keyboard shortcut (command + shift + t) in Mail.

Having to do it is annoying, but it takes only a few seconds.

I have also complained to Apple and encourage everyone else to do it too:

Feedback - Mail - Apple

Sinetempore wrote:

The issue is within MacOs 13... the same e-mail if converted from Rich to Plain text on a Mac running MacOs 12 behaves perfectly.

Feel free to let Apple know…

Feedback - Mail - Apple

Someone pasted content from MS Word into their email before sending it to you and the Rich text to plain text conversion will show that proprietary Word HTML crud. If they had just typed a Rich Text email and sent it to you, then Rich Text to plain text would work as expected.

Yes, same issue here and it is driving me nuts. I now need to reply in html, so that the quoted text of the former correspondence stays readable. Before Ventura, I always used plain text, which was fine and clean. Not the complete returns were deleted by Apple Mail when you hit reply and have chosen to always answer in plain text.

This is a new issue and it worked perfectly with all former Apple Mail versions before Ventura.

I can confirm, this is new in Ventura and annoying. It seems mostly mails sent by Office365 are a mess when converted to plain text. Apple has done something wrong with the new HTML to plain text converter.

Sorry but I'm not fully understanding the issue. If you convert a formatted page (Rich Text Format) to a non-formatted page (Plain Text) the expectation is that the formatting will be lost. Are you expecting to not lose the formatting when converting? Is this your issue?

It looks pretty good from here. Whoever originally sent it was using some kind of funky Microsoft hacks. Those things always cause problems. Just delete that code, put a couple of spaces in, and you should be good to go.

Also, the sender should have already included a plain text representation of the message. Perhaps their mail software didn't do that and Apple Mail had to figure it own on its own. If this is what happened, then Apple Mail really went above and beyond.

Does this happen to emails you replay to from every sender?

The entire first paragraph full of font codes is certainly not to be expected

I also cannot reproduce this.

Switching to plain text, in the examples I tried, just strips away the formatting, and does show any HTML code. IOW, it is work as expected here.