M1 Pro Macbook ram memory usage

I upgraded my laptop to an M1 Pro Powerbook with 16GB of ram a few months ago. I run CleanMyMacX (paid version) in the background, and I often get alerts about running out of RAM. When I look at Activity Monitor when I get an alert, the RAM is in the yellow area. I've mulled over trading the laptop in for a 32GB version. (When I purchased it, I didn't want to spring for the extra $400 to double the RAM.)


Today I started researching upgrading the RAM and, in the process, read about how the memory management system on the M1 is so good that there's barely any performance difference between a 16GB box and a 32GB box.


I began to wonder if the alerts I'm getting from CleanMyMac are not really as serious an issue as I had been led to believe they were. So, I've disabled that notification to see what happens performance-wise.


I thought I'd ask here if any of you old pros might answer my question. Am I really running out of RAM? Or is the M1 chip going to manage the RAM well enough that it's not really an issue?


I do a LOT of work in Safari. I always have nine tabs open, and often more than that. (I do genealogical work as well as computer support on several websites.) Sometimes each tab will be using 3GB or more, and sometimes tabs will force reload because they're using too much memory. If I open two tabs on FindAGrave or run LibreOffice at the same time or have a large pdf open in Adobe, I will usually get alerts.


Should I upgrade to the 32GB M1? (Yes, I know you can't upgrade the RAM on the existing laptop.)

Some specs:


Macbook Pro

16 inch 2021

Apple M1 Pro

16 GB

Ventura 13.3.1

Safari Version 16.4 (18615.1.26.11.23)

Memory Used 12.55 GB

Cached Files 2.67 GB

Swap Used 1.98 GB

App Memory 8.20 GB

Wired Memory 1.2 GB

Compressed 2.33 GB

MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 13.3

Posted on Apr 25, 2023 8:59 PM

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Apr 28, 2023 2:51 PM in response to Allan Jones

It certainly wasn't my intention to put words in your mouth. Frankly, I'm not having a problem with my laptop other than the notifications CleanMyMacX was popping up. I've turned those off.


I ran a test. I opened about twenty tabs in Safari, including six tabs for FindaGrave, which is a really memory hog, opened up 10 documents in Adobe, opened up Amazon in Google Chrome, and opened six documents in LibreOffice.


Much to my surprise, while memory (according to Activity Monitor) went into the yellow, it eventually settled down back in the green. Performance of the laptop seemed unaffected.


So, I guess I've answered my own question. I do not have a problem, and the M1 Pro chip really does manage memory well.

Apr 28, 2023 4:55 PM in response to plschmehl

Poisoning Internet performance:


By far the easiest way to cause instability and crashing is to install ANY third-party speeder-uppers, Cleaners, Optimizers, or Virus scanners. or a VPN that you installed yourself.


The idea that a third party, with no special knowledge of the inner workings of MacOS, can somehow find a simple way to protect your computer — that is not already being done by MacOS itself — suggests that the MacOS developers are somehow "holding out on you". That is absurd.


You should remove any and all (other than Apple built-in) virus scanners, speeder uppers, optimizers, cleaners, App deleters or VPN packages you installed yourself, or anything of that ilk.


Third-party file Sync-ers such as DropBox, BackBlaze, OneDrive, or GoogleDrive can ruin performance, but are not inherently dangerous.


The current versions of MacOS have protections so good, there are currently no known Viruses that can SPONTANEOUSLY infect your Mac. Random ‘stuff’ is NEVER allowed to be Executed, so all your files do not need to be scanned, again and again. Only software from know developers is allowed to be considered for becoming Executable, and then only after you enter your Admin password to allow installation. Potentially-executable files are then scanned at first run by MacOS Gatekeeper, locked, and moved to the /Applications folder.


Effective defenses against malware and ot… - Apple Community


The drive in this computer is more than 100 times the typical speed of drives in computers a decade older. If you have installed software that wastes computer resources on a regular basis, it will do busywork at previously-impossible speeds. This software used to run as fast as it could, then would have to wait for the disk drive to catch up before continuing to waste resources. With a really fast drive, that drive-speed restriction is gone.


Apr 29, 2023 12:35 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

To follow up and close out this thread, I received a response from the vendor regarding the memory alerts that CleanMyMac X was triggering. I asked them if their product takes into account the memory management capabilities of the M1 chip.


"Thank you for contacting MacPaw Customer Support.

 

CleanMyMac X is fully compatible with M1 chip. The notifications you used to receive have only informative purpose, meaning that they not necessarily mean that there is an issue. 

 

You can keep those notifications off, since you don`t need them."


IOW, do what I've already done. Disable the notifications and get on with computing.


I didn't bother to ask them why they have the notification capability if it's not really useful.

Apr 27, 2023 4:35 PM in response to plschmehl

I began to wonder if the alerts I'm getting from CleanMyMac ...


I think you have your answer. The macOS has, cat-like, cleaned itself for over twenty yearsa and need NO OUTSIDE HELP! You paid Apple good money to built that elegance into your OS.


Outside "cleaning" apps compete with these elegant self-maintenance routines Apple includes for you. Completely remove CleanMyMac and any other cleaning or anti-virus apps per the developers' instructions. Right now, their interference is masking any real problems that might be present.


A real thing is that some web pages can use far more RAM and battery power that they should. Activity Monitor will show that as well if you select the %CPU column or the Energy column.


I can produce that at will by leaving the Amazon home page open in the background. When I discovered it, I had 14 tabs open including Amazon. My battery runtime showed a precipitous reduction. Active Monitor showed the single Amazon page using far more CPU and energy that the other 13 tabs (sites)combined.

Apr 28, 2023 6:52 AM in response to plschmehl

Are you really saying that no matter how many apps I run on my Powerbook it will never run out of memory and never display degraded performance?


No. You are putting words in my mouth. That may be what you expected me to say but that would be wrong. I am not a Apple apologist. I deal with facts. What I am saying is precisely summed up in this sentence in my first post:


Right now, their interference is masking any real problems that might be present.


You cannot get a full picture when something is running that, based on my 20+year of analyzing posts here, is a known cause of anomalous happenings that go away when "cleaning" apps are removed.


If you don't trust Apple, keep running those third-party apps and accept the known performance penalties. It's no skin off my back. I own Apple computers, not Apple stock.

Apr 28, 2023 5:51 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

I am not now nor have I ever been experiencing performance issues. That was not the question that I asked. I asked if 16 GB of RAM was sufficient for my needs. I wanted to understand how the M1 chip handled memory management and whether spending a ton of money to upgrade to 32 GB made sense.


Instead, I got lectures about how marvelous MacOS Is and how I should immediately scrap all the thrid party apps I've purchased because the operating system is all I will ever need.


I do not now, nor have i ever used a virus detection and/or removal app on MacOS. It is not needed.


What built-in facility does MacOS have to locate files that haven't been used in a long time and remove them?

I find the MacOS capability to locate files severely lacking and non-intuitive. So, I use a third party app for that.


The reason third party apps are successful is because the OS developers either never thought of a desired functionality, thought of it but dismissed it as unnecessary, or implemented the functionality in a way that was not obvious to the common user.


I appreciate all the input I've received, even though much of it has been off topic and unnecessary. I thnk I've learned what I came to earn, so you all can now safely ignore me and go back to worshiping the MacOS and its developers.

Apr 28, 2023 6:13 PM in response to plschmehl

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