How charging sources are prioritized for Macbook M1 Max?

I am curious to know how power delivery is being prioritized for silicon max MacBook pro's.


  1. What If I connect a docking station that provides 96W via USB-C and the MagSafe charger simultaneously? Will it use the docking station for data transfer only and prioritize the MagSafe for charging?
  2. Is it true that the wattage limit for USB-C charging is 96W?
  3. Is it true that if I charge the M1 max (which requires 140W), via USB-C 60W or 96W for a long period of time over heavy loads it can potentially ruin my battery, because of "underpowering" and using the battery for resources?


I think this is very important for choosing a docking station,

Thank you in advance!



Posted on May 24, 2023 12:10 AM

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May 28, 2023 8:09 AM in response to MKV666

MKV666 wrote:
Thank you,

In conclusion - when on heavy loads it's best to use the 140W charger because otherwise you will constantly discharge the battery or worst - lower your clock speed when the battery is drained.

Correct?



No. As long as the battery is working, it should be fully capable of operating at maximum performance. The battery is capable of providing considerably more power than the input power from a power adapter. The only reason why display brightness automatically dims when external power is removed is to improve battery life.


It’s rarely going to ever need even 140W. If it’s requiring that much power for more than just short peaks, it will either destroy itself or go into thermal shutdown.

May 24, 2023 1:21 PM in response to MKV666

It's rare for almost any notebook computer to draw more than the maximum input power. It can go higher for peaks (where it will draw from the battery) but that's not a big issue. If a MacBook Pro is continuously drawing 80W for minutes, there's something wrong where it could destroy itself in short order.


The batteries themselves are capable of providing far more power than their the input power, but again using that much power would be rare. If it could somehow operate like that without damage, the battery would be gone much faster than the 12-24 hours that Apple advertises. Likely less than an hour.


I don't believe that it accepts more than one power input at a time. You can pretty much find out which one is being used by checking the Power information in System Report.

May 28, 2023 5:06 AM in response to MKV666

When a Mac needs more power than the external power source can supply under heavy loads, it freely 'borrows' power from the battery.


when operating normally and not under load, your mac can very slowly 'top-off' the battery. This might take as long as 24 hours to recharge from nearly empty back to nearly full, and if adequate power were available, it would ordinarily attempt a power cycle instead.


Rather that shutting down under heavy loads with too little power available (total from All sources) power management would slow the clock speeds and processing back to something sustainable.


Your Mac performs best when connected to the external powerr. When external power is not available, it may perform more slowly. When the external power is not enough, the battery will be used to make up the deficit. When the battery level falls too low, as usual, your mac will stop processing and hibernate to save power.

May 24, 2023 11:45 AM in response to MKV666

Chargers don't push power, devices draw power. So, if a device needs 50w it will draw 50W regardless of the rated wattage of the charger and a rated 96w charger will loaf along. If you use a 30W charger, the charger will likely overheat form not being able to meet demand as well as take longer.


The battery is charged, nothing else. While that's happening, each component draws what it needs or attempts to do so.


You can't transfer data through a port that's got a charger attached unless the charger is inline somehow with a data supplying device.


The battery supplies power and the amount of load will not ruin your battery. Simple usage uses up a battery and the heavier the load the faster that happens. Batteries also self discharge at some reduced rate. That's why a battery at 100% that's unused will still lose power gradually.


Your best bet is to ue the correct charger, charge it when necessary, use on battery when you want and let the battery and its circuitry handle the specifics of micromanagement.

May 28, 2023 5:28 AM in response to MKV666

The battery has a lot of capacity. You won't notice it is borrowing power from the battery unless you run it for a long time under really heavy loads. (or under battery power alone.)


The clock speed only gets lower when the battery power alone (or provided combination of battery power and external power) is not enough -OR- the computer is getting too hot.


When the battery gets low enough, your mac can not proceed, so it warns you, stops processing, and closes down until the battery can be replenished.

May 28, 2023 4:42 AM in response to MKV666

Thank you, everybody!


As I've seen in many tests online the M1/M2 Max chips regularly require more than 100W, especially on heavy loads. I guess this is why they come with a 140W charger, instead of the 96W.


  1. What can happen if I use the 96W for my M1 MAX under heavy loads (via USB-C or Magsafe)? Is it possible for it to "dip" in the battery and ruin it with time?
  2. Under lengthy heavy loads, is it possible to shut down, because the battery isn't charging fast enough?


Thank you!





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