iOS 16.5 Hardware and Software Architecture (Unix Derivative)?

World_Class_AI_and_Enterprise_ wrote:

Well it charges on an older Apple device running the same iOS 16.5 software. Did about 8 tries charges all the time. The newer device with the same software rejected the older Lightning cable through 12 watts Apple adapter from a strong surge protector checked many times.

This is what I would expect with a USB-A power adaptor which can only output 12W of power. The more modern USB-C standard has greater capability, and is being forced on everyone by the unelected European bureaucracy.

"It may be lower speed". Well it usually affects data transmission like USB 2.0, 3.0, and Thunderbolt. But I have NOT read anything about how it effects charging from anywhere. If anything it just affects the speed of charging. But then again its proprietary Lightning cable instead of industry type USB-C to Tunderbolt.

Apple's move to USB-C for power adaptors is the first stage toward full USB-C implementation. Even retaining the Lightning connector at the iPhone it is possible to get much faster charging times which are simply not practical on a USB-A to Lightning cable. Start reading at https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd

Its just so annoying since the newer iPhones did not give the power brick with the new cable.

Many users have more spare adaptors than they care to admit, even for new devices using USB-C. Not every purchase needs a new adaptor, and I don't want another 50 government beer vouchers adding to the cost for a new iPhone. If I need a new adaptor I am quite capable of making the decision to add one to my order.

I assume the new model have components that can detect electrical fluctuations the problem is it really necessary to reject the same 12 watts adapter from older Lightning cable technology.

If an experts know please respond thanks. I'll send a bug report since its possible to rewrite the OS especially for me and do custom scripts.

See the link to descriptions of USB-C technology above. The problem for your 12W power adaptor is nothing to do with surges or software. The limitation is simply the maximum power rating of the components, and the design is too old to support the new USB PD standard. It can't provide the variable voltage needed for the new rapid charging functions.

World_Class_AI_and_Enterprise_ Said:

"iOS 16.5 Hardware and Software Architecture (Unix Derivative)?: Did you miss, 'It charges when I use the newer Lightning cable.' I do not understand why the newer device is rejecting the older cable however an older device with same OS is accepting it. This also only 12 watts through a surge protector?"

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No. I did not miss that. I author my posts with keywords that I think stand out the best, after reading it.

As for the Cable:

The cable is probably all full of gunk and using a new cable on a new device is most wise than what you might want to think. So, use a new cable. It may be lower speed, or it may be physical damage. Who knows?

On second thought, the phone can do Qi wireless charging of "up to 7.5 watts", and wired charging with a 20 watt or higher adapter enables fast charging. So if the adapter and cable are actually delivering 12 watts, the phone should charge – if more slowly.

iPhone 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max - Technical Specifications - Apple

The mention of "Unix Derivative" is still a red herring.

Another Apple Support article that may be of interest:

If your iPhone or iPod touch won't charge - Apple Support

World_Class_AI_and_Enterprise_ wrote:

Well they stop giving the power adapter and they switch to the newer USB-C to Lightning cable.

This means I have to waste my time and money just to buy another overpriced Apple adapter when it should have came inside the box. The older device was running the same 16.5 software and the icon shows that it is charging.

The iPhone 14 really requires a higher capacity power source than older phones, such as an iPad charger or a Qi wireless charger, or any one of the hundred or so 10 watt or higher USB power sources that I’m sure you have kicking around in drawers. Or a USB port on a computer.

See this Apple support article→About Apple USB power adapters for information on power sources for charging your Apple device.

Quoting that article:

As part of our efforts to reach our environmental goals, iPhone models no longer include a power adapter in the box. iPhone continues to work with existing power adapters and USB-A to Lightning cables, such as those included in prior models. iPhone models now include in the box a newer USB‑C to Lightning cable that supports fast charging and is compatible with USB‑C power adapters and computer ports that you might already have. You can use either a USB-A to Lightning cable or the newer USB-C to Lightning cable with your iPhone.

Fortunately, in addition to Apple many other technology companies have made the right environment move of not overloading the world with billions of redundant accessories that will eventually end up in landfills or poison the environment or the people who ultimately end up having to disassemble the devices that contain toxic components. Samsung and several other vendors also no longer include power sources with their phones and tablets.

I’m not aware of any electrical or signaling differences in Lightning cables, other than the obviously-different USB connectors.

There can be differences for counterfeit and non-MFi cables, of course.

I’d suggest bringing the charger, cable, and iPhone into Apple for a look.

World_Class_AI_and_Enterprise_ Said:

"iOS 16.5 Hardware and Software Architecture (Unix Derivative)?: My older Apple device with iOS 16.5 charges fine. However, the newer device with same 'software' reveal that its NOT charging.[...]"

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Troubleshooting iPhone Charge:

A. Battery Drain Info:

The iPhone battery will drain, unless it is plugged in and charging. With lots installed, the charge would be slower. As for how fast it would drain the battery, that would depend on the battery health and the volume (sound) you use.

1. Go Here: iPhone Battery and Performance - Apple Support
2. Scroll Down: to "Your battery's maximum capacity"

B.. Troubleshooting the Battery:

• iPhone Battery and Performance - Apple Support

• Charge and Monitor the iPhone Battery - Apple Support

• About the Battery Usage on your iPhone - Apple Support

• About Optimized Battery Charging on your iPhone - Apple Support

• If you see "Your iPhone Battery may Need to be Serviced" - Apple Support

• Use Low Power Mode to Save Battery Life on your iPhone - Apple Support

C. Did this Occur After an Update?:

Give Apple Feedback:

Do your Part: Provide Apple with feedback on this, letting them know about this issue.  Apple may not get back to you directly, but the more feedback they receive on this, the more they will know what is occurring, and what bug fixes to include in updates to come.

1. Go Here: Feedback - iPhone - Apple
2. Select: "Bug Report" for the "Feedback Type"
3. Comment: that this all began after installing an update. Include the URL of this post
4. Proceed from there as necessary

World_Class_AI_and_Enterprise_ Said:

"iOS 16.5 Hardware and Software Architecture (Unix Derivative)?"

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Report your Ideas to Apple:

About these forums:

These are just user-to-user forums. If you don’t like the way Apple has something configured, or if you think it should be configured elsewise, then give Apple some feedback on this. No one here works for Apple. We’re just here to give feedback on things, and help each other troubleshoot. Apple does not read these forums on their own time and will. They’ll know nothing of your opinions and preferences, if you don’t provide them with feedback:

Providing Apple Feedback on this:

1. Go here: Product Feedback - Apple
2. Select: “Other” for the “Feedback Type”
3. Comment: On how you think things should be different, and why. Include the URL of this thread.
4. Proceed from there as necessary

World_Class_AI_and_Enterprise_ wrote:

was the Unix derivative software tampered?

Red herring. Maybe the new phone just wants more charging power.

World_Class_AI_and_Enterprise_ wrote:

That’s what I did I used an old iPhone 6 Lightning to the older USB-A cable then attached it to the 12 watts Apple charger and it did not charge my iPhone 14 Pro Max running the 16.5 software I did check the ports, cable, and adapter carefully and it was clean. Did several tries and all of them failed. To isolate that cable and charger I did test them against an on older device running the 16.5 software, it charges many times not even a single failure.

So, the conclusion is since it is a 12 watts Apple charger and a Lightning cable, it must be the software and/or hardware of the newer iPhone 14 Pro Max that is rejecting the stable 12 watts electric current, or there’s a bug that I can’t scan in the 16.5 software to perhaps something else.

Anyways, thanks for trying.

Then why can I charge my phone with a 12 watt iPad charger and a standard lightning cable (I do every night, all night)? And why can hundreds of millions of other users? This is a very uncommon problem; your post is one of the first I have seen claiming that a standard USB to Lightning cable and a standard charger does not charge an iPhone 14 Pro Max. I think there is more to the story than you have told us.