I have an Ethernet LAN with a switch for 2 Macs and a printer and would share stuff between the 2

Hello

This is my configuration:


1. M1 MacBook Air running Big Sur.

One of the TB port is used with a Thunderbolt 3 Dock

The other is used with a USB-C adapter that includes an RJ45 port where I connect an Ethernet cable.

Both ports are used so a Thunderbolt LAN is not an option.


2. Mac Mini running 10.9.5.

It includes a DisplayPort/Thunderbolt 2 port that is used for the screen. So a Thunderbolt LAN is not an option either.


3. A switch/router combo belonging to my internet provider.

The switch feature includes 4 Ethernet ports where both Macs plus a printer are connected. It works seamlessly.


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As far as surfing on the internet and using the printer everything works fine for both Macs. I have used this setup for decades and it used to work for the LAN too.

I created on both Macs dedicated folders that I set as shared in the Preferences. I checked the Network pane in the Preferences:



This IP Address is given by the switch. The Mini has 13 and the

printer has 12 so there is no conflict.

In the Finder of each Mac, in the computer window, the other Mac is present but it's empty.


When I open the menu Go > Connect to Server… I get this box:



If I tick Using an Apple ID I get this. The field contains my email address and there is no way I can put anything else.


Whatever the option the option I choose I am requested to enter a password. I was not asked to setup a password when I created the shared folder. Hence:



Is there any solution or is it that Apple denies the possibility to create a LAN without Thunderbolt?

TIA

Regards

Nick

Posted on Jun 3, 2023 3:53 PM

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Posted on Jun 3, 2023 8:01 PM

Your configuration should work.


The field contains my email address ...


That field must be the Apple ID you are using for the Mini. Yes it is in the form of an email address, but it has to be the correct Apple ID. Confirm that it is correctly set in its System Preferences.


Otherwise, use the Registered User option using your login name and password for the Mini. Either option should work equally well.


The IP address is issued by the router. Minor distinction, just in case you are looking for a hardware cause. The switch portion of the router should be unmanaged, but hopefully that is also an essentially meaningless distinction since I don't know of any consumer grade routers that incorporate a managed switch. I think using the Thunderbolt LAN or not is a red herring. I don't use anything like that, all desktop Macs are using Ethernet.

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Jun 3, 2023 8:01 PM in response to Saint112

Your configuration should work.


The field contains my email address ...


That field must be the Apple ID you are using for the Mini. Yes it is in the form of an email address, but it has to be the correct Apple ID. Confirm that it is correctly set in its System Preferences.


Otherwise, use the Registered User option using your login name and password for the Mini. Either option should work equally well.


The IP address is issued by the router. Minor distinction, just in case you are looking for a hardware cause. The switch portion of the router should be unmanaged, but hopefully that is also an essentially meaningless distinction since I don't know of any consumer grade routers that incorporate a managed switch. I think using the Thunderbolt LAN or not is a red herring. I don't use anything like that, all desktop Macs are using Ethernet.

Jun 6, 2023 2:06 PM in response to Saint112

Eventually I had Apple Support on the phone. The first adviser had my screen on his computer. We had a look around all the settings and he agreed: there were no mistakes. He made me restart the MBA in Recuperation Mode to no avail. He had no solution so he passed the hot potatoe to a higher level engineer. The guy had the same diagnostic until he noticed that there was a moon in the menu bar, hence the MBA was in Do Not Disturb mode. I hardly knew this feature existed. I had never opened the Notification page anyway. The option that was ticked was When mirroring to TVs and projectors. Once unticked I suddenly had access to the shared folder and its content on the Mini.

OK, but wait a minute: disabling the Do Not Disturb mode on the MBA enables it to access the shared folder on the Mini! It makes no sense!

And wait another minute: the Mini still can't access the shared folder on the MBA even though it's not in Do Not Disturb mode. Even though this folder appears in the Network folder, when I double click on it I have a message that says this folder doesn't exist! It's just nuts.

And it's not finished: I deshared the shared folder on the MBA and created a new one. Yet on the Mini it was the old one that was still displayed. After some tweaking the new one appeared but still impossible to open.

At least we progressed half way: the MBA can access the Mini.

Nick

Jun 4, 2023 9:26 AM in response to Saint112

I enabled WiFi on both Macs and the result was the same: access denied. So, contrary to what I was inclined to suppose, the switch is not the culprit.

Yet I find odd that in the Finder, in the Network window, not only the other Mac is listed with the Kind: "Mac", but the switch too with the Kind: "PC". At one point in the MacBook it was listed too as a PC.

As a result I think I might just give up. Being in a hurry I shared stuff with a USB key. Considering the amount of time I lost on this attempt I think I would be better off continuing doing so than trying to make this "sharing" gimmick work.

Maybe I should restart both Macs. It would be like in the old times of Windows…

Nick

Jun 4, 2023 2:40 PM in response to Saint112

Actually I have a suspicion. There are precedents for it:

  1. When I bought the Mini I connected it to a 27" 2560 x 1440 monitor via an HDMI cable but I could not get a higher resolution than 1080. After trying many tricks I was informed that Mac OS didn't have the driver for a better resolution than 1080 via HDMI. "Why so?" I asked. "This is the way it is. Period. The only possible way is via DisplayPort." So I had to buy a miniDP cable and it worked fine.
  2. When I bought the M1 MBA I bought also a Thunderbolt Dock that includes a DP port. I connected everything and the screen remained black. I tried many things: I changed cables, I tweaked the settings, to no avail. Then I tried with the USB-C adapter that includes a DP port and I had an image. So I had to ask the question. Answer: "This version of Big Sur is not able to send images to a display via Thunderbolt." What!? Apple has for years been promoting TB for display connection, sells MBs with only 2 TB ports, and omitted to make the OS able to use them fully? After upgrading Big Sur I eventually had an image.

Is it yet another shortcoming of Mac OS?

Since there is no way out than via TB do I have to upgrade Mac OS or forget about creating a network. Yet I couldn't get a connection via WiFi either.

Nick

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