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Floppy drives and Ventura

Yes, I went there. Why? Because I have a lot of old discs that are nostalgic to me. I still have old machines that can read them, but it would be nice if Ventura did, too.


Does anyone know if Ventura can do this? Are there any incompatibilities I should know about? I also have 4 external HDs, three by G-drive, and one by OWC. Three are USB, one is TB3.


Thanks folks.

MacBook Pro 13″, macOS 12.6

Posted on Jun 13, 2023 5:08 AM

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Nov 30, 2023 6:54 AM in response to Keithiepoo

  • If they are 400K or 800K floppies, no third-party USB floppy drive will be able to read them. Apple used an IWM (Integrated Woz Machine) chip to pack on more data than PCs got on corresponding 360K and 720K floppies.
  • If they use the MFS filesystem, Ventura will not be able to read them. Apple dropped support for MFS (which has no real subdirectories) long before the first version of Mac OS X came out.
  • If they use the HFS filesystem, Ventura will not be able to read them. Apple dropped all support for HFS (no "+") in Catalina.


Basically, if they are 1.44 MB floppies formatted using a Windows filesystem, a modern Mac could still read them – with the help of a USB floppy drive.


Otherwise, if you can't find an old Mac, you're out of luck.

Jun 13, 2023 12:47 PM in response to Keithiepoo

Do these floppies contain software or just old data? If just old data, then use one of the older systems which can read those floppies and transfer the data to newer media either through a USB drive in HFS+ format. Such an old Mac may not be able to utilize newer USB drives even if they have an HFS+ volume. You would need to use a smaller size drive since some newer drives no longer have support for 512 byte block/sectors which is what such an old computer will require. Some newer drives may allow for a 512 byte sector option, but not every system can work with that backwards compatibility mode of the drive.


It may be easier to enable File Sharing on that older Mac so you can try to access the files from a newer Mac (will likely need to move those files to an internal volume on the older Mac). I'm not sure it is even possible to have such an old Mac to remotely access a new Mac with File Sharing (newer Macs using the APFS file system cannot share via AFP protocol, and SMB protocols have changed over the years).


If these are software disks, then they will only work on older Macs where the software was supported.


I'm assuming you mean these are from the PPC Macs since I believe they were the last ones to support a floppy drive.


I'm actually surprised the floppy disks still work. I've had much newer ones become corrupted & unreadable.

Jun 13, 2023 2:05 PM in response to HWTech

No, they're just data discs. I just wanted to know, that's all. I hope nothing else I have is incompatible. I have those external HDs. I absolutely need those to work if I move to Ventura.


Monterey, BTW, does see the floppies. I guess it's the last Mac OS to be able to do so.


Always a little apprehensive about moving to a new OS.

Jun 13, 2023 2:16 PM in response to Keithiepoo

As long as macOS is managing those drives, then they should work Ok in Ventura assuming they are using at least the HFS+ file system and either a MBR or better yet GUID partition scheme (I'm not sure if the older Apple Partition Map is supported in macOS these days). If you are using some third party software to manage any of those drives, then who knows as it may depend on whether the software is compatible with Ventura.


The only time I've seen any one have issues with older drives working on newer Macs is when attaching them to an Apple Silicon Mac since the Apple Silicon Macs seemed to have a compatibility issue with some older USB chipsets used by those older drives (may not just be USB chipsets, but those drives are more common)....no idea whether a later macOS update or system firmware update ever resolved those issues. There weren't too many reliable details at the time when this was reported in 2020 with the initial launch of the M1 Macs and I've never seen any updates later on one way or the other.


Just make sure to have good backups of any important data on your external drives including those floppy disks. Drives wear out, degrade, and fail...sometimes quite suddenly.


Jun 20, 2023 4:53 PM in response to Keithiepoo

If they are 400K or 800K floppies, there are no USB floppy drives you can buy that will read them. (Apple used a special "Integrated Woz Machine" controller, found only in old Apple Macs and Apple floppy drives, to store 400K and 800K where the corresponding PC drives would have stored 360K and 720K.)


If they are 1.44 MB floppies, a USB floppy drive will be physically able to read them but you may encounter the HFS fileysystem support issue. It might be time to back up the contents of those floppies onto hard drives, with the aid of the old Macs, while you can.

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