Bootable Clone for my M1 MAX MacBook Pro?

Back in the day when my 5,1 Mac Pro was still supported I kept an active bootable clone of my operating system as a back up.


In an event where my OS was compromised I could always pop in the clone drive and be up and running again in minutes.


I'm currently running Monterey 12.6.7 on the M1 Max Mac Book Pro. 2TB internal with 64GB RAM.


I have the OWC Express 4M2. Three NVME's are raided to be a work drive and one is intended to be my clone.


How do I make a bootable external clone of my M1 Max MacBookPro internal so that I can boot from the external clone in case of a work emergency?


It seems like this process has gotten very difficult. It use to be very easy.


Alternative options for accomplishing the same result are welcome.


I just want the fastest way to boot my M1 Max MacBook Pro in the event that the internal craps out and I don't have time to visit the nearest apple store because I have urgent work to do.


Thanks.


MacBook Pro (M1, 2020)

Posted on Jul 11, 2023 4:05 AM

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Jul 11, 2023 4:56 AM in response to Eric Strausser

User wrote " I just want the fastest way to boot my M1 Max MacBook Pro in the event that the internal craps out and I don't have time to visit the nearest apple store because I have urgent work to do. "


FYI and specific to Apple Silicon Computers.


If the Internal Drive " Craps Out " even if you were able to make a Bootable Clone - the computer would still Not Boot into the External Drive


On M1 / M2 machines, the computer can not Boot at ALL without a functioning Internal Drive.


Sorry, but the " Walled Garden of Eden " aka Apple Eco-System has had a few extra bricked added to the wall and makes booting impossible when the drive fails

Jul 11, 2023 6:23 AM in response to Eric Strausser

Eric Strausser wrote:

I just want the fastest way to boot my M1 Max MacBook Pro in the event that the internal craps out and I don't have time to visit the nearest apple store because I have urgent work to do.

I missed that very important part of your question. while the reply I posted will work to run macOS from an external drive, as mentioned by the others, if the SSD on an M1 Mac "craps out" you will not be able to boot from an external drive.

Jul 11, 2023 4:25 AM in response to Eric Strausser

Eric Strausser wrote:

Back in the day when my 5,1 Mac Pro was still supported I kept an active bootable clone of my operating system as a back up.

In an event where my OS was compromised

Compromised in what way?

I could always pop in the clone drive and be up and running again in minutes.

So that was 2010? 2012? Did you ever pop in the clone drive and get up and running again in minutes?

How do I make a bootable external clone of my M1 Max MacBookPro internal so that I can boot from the external clone in case of a work emergency?

In short, you don't. You can install a new copy of macOS onto your external drive. Then, you can reduce your security so you can boot from it. From there, you can restore from backup. But this probably isn't what you were talking about.

I just want the fastest way to boot my M1 Max MacBook Pro in the event that the internal craps out

That isn't going to happen. And if it did, it would require a failure so catastrophic that your computer would never boot again, regardless of the desired startup device.

I don't have time to visit the nearest apple store because I have urgent work to do.

How urgent? Can you measure this urgency in any way?


How much did that external drive cost? How much time have you spent keeping your bootable backup in sync over the past decade? How much money do you make per hour? Was it a good investment?


The modern replacement is a new computer. Turn on iCloud with all options. If anything ever fails, you've got a backup ready in seconds. As an added bonus, you can install the latest version of macOS onto the new computer and test it. Make sure that all of your current software works as desired. If something stops working, then you still have the current device to use until you can find an alternative to the software that no longer works, or until yet another update fixes the problem (and breaks something else). This scenario is many times more likely than a hardware failure.

Jul 11, 2023 10:53 AM in response to Eric Strausser

Eric Strausser wrote:

Compromised meaning it won't boot, doesn't run or runs badly.

The operating system is on a cryptographically sealed, read-only volume. If you have a failure due to hardware, then booting from another hard drive will only make things worse. If you have a failure due to 3rd party system modifications, then your clone will likely be similarly affected.

It was a great system that only faltered when I got lazy and failed to run my daily clone updates.

The human is always the weakest link in backup systems.

enclosed systems are not Pro.

Whoever said they were? Anyone can slap a "Pro" moniker on a product for any number of reasons. Usually, it is just to distinguish a more expensive version of a similar product. Apple exclusively makes consumer electronics. They only use the word "Pro" so that people can purchase products that better conform to their own sense of identity.

My experience with macs tells me that the hard drive could experience complications short of eternal system wide death

First of all, there are no more "hard drives". There are high-speed, expensive, volatile RAM chips on the logic board. And then there are slightly-slower, slightly less expensive, higher-capacity, non-volatile RAM chips on the logic board.

the installed OS could suffer some issue that would make working difficult and therefore booting into the last known working OS state would fix my problems and let me get back to work.

I understand your concerns. You should also add the possibility of theft. I'm just saying that bootable clones are not a solution.

Urgent for me means that I have a spotting session in an hour. Or tonight at 10pm cuz the rest of the crew is in another time zone. My system becomes compromised in 1 of a million ways that a computer system can. I need to recover now. Not later. A working clone is the fastest way to do that.

Which is why I recommended a clone - of the entire computer. Forget the idea of bootable hard drives. That idea is dead.

iCloud does not work if you lose your internet connection

I wasn't suggesting that you download a complete new system over the internet. You won't do that in an hour. But iCloud will take advantage of your Internet connection while it is available and keep the computers in sync.

a system that is not allowed to be connected to the internet.

That's the easiest solution of all. Just add it to your requirements and have your IT contractor handle it. What will that cost $13, $14 million dollars? You can recoup those costs by finding a less expensive venue for the corporate Christmas gala.

Having a second computer as my backup seems like a new expensive solution that replaces an older much cheaper one.

As I said above, Apple exclusively makes consumer electronics. But that isn't the whole story. Apple exclusively makes high-end consumer electronics. Nobody buys Apple devices because they are cheap. A second computer solution is twice as good and twice as expensive.

Plus the old way of doing it also let me run different versions of the OS and swap between them.

You can do that with a second computer too. In fact, you really should already be doing that with your second computer. Ask any one of the people who were (past tense) processing 100+ FPS video with their macOS Ventura computers. When Apple broke that functionality, I advised those people that they should have a second computer for these types of issues, and that if they bought one today, it wouldn't have the latest update and they could get back to work right away. As you might expect, they generally weren't happy with that answer. They wanted a fix - NOW! I told them they would have to wait a couple of months. We're on week #7 now. 😄

I didn't need to buy a new computer just to try a new OS.

Oh yeah you do. 😄


I practice what I preach. When Sonoma came out, my previous test rig (2017 MBP) would no longer run it, so I had to buy a new one. I got a little ahead of myself and tried to install both Ventura and Sonoma, following Apple's published and supported instructions: Use more than one version of macOS on a Mac - Apple Support


Yeah, it didn't work. Back to the VM for me. Maybe I'll go all-in sometime late summer. The 2017 still runs Ventura. The 2021 production machine is happy on Monterey and won't upgrade until Apple forces me to.

The bootable clone way is a better cheaper way. I'd very much like to get back to that.

Sorry. Those days are over.


Jul 11, 2023 6:38 AM in response to Eric Strausser

Eric Strausser wrote:

Thanks jeffreythefrog

you're welcome.

I've been reading similar things. Unfortunately I'm looking for an app that runs and updates the clone drive during a lunchtime and end of day backup.

from what I have observed in this forum, Carbon Copy Cloner or Super Duper! can do that. but please note that I don't use either app.

Your method sounds like it works but is more time consuming than I would have hoped.

I cannot deny that it is exactly that. :)

Jul 11, 2023 7:01 AM in response to etresoft

Thanks etresoft


Compromised in what way?

Compromised meaning it won't boot, doesn't run or runs badly.


I was using my 5,1 Mac Pro running Mojave up to a year and a half ago. In it's long lifetime I had several occasions where a drive was performing badly and I pulled the bad drive and booted from the clone. It was a great system that only faltered when I got lazy and failed to run my daily clone updates.


That isn't going to happen. And if it did, it would require a failure so catastrophic that your computer would never boot again, regardless of the desired startup device.

I hear what you are saying and if that were true then it just enforces the idea that enclosed systems are not Pro. My experience with macs tells me that the hard drive could experience complications short of eternal system wide death or the the installed OS could suffer some issue that would make working difficult and therefore booting into the last known working OS state would fix my problems and let me get back to work. Not all my work is done with advanced notice. Some of it is done late at night when the mac store is closed.


How urgent? Can you measure this urgency in any way?

Urgent for me means that I have a spotting session in an hour. Or tonight at 10pm cuz the rest of the crew is in another time zone. My system becomes compromised in 1 of a million ways that a computer system can. I need to recover now. Not later. A working clone is the fastest way to do that.


"How much did that external drive cost? How much time have you spent keeping your bootable backup in sync over the past decade? How much money do you make per hour? Was it a good investment?

Drives are cheap enough that I can afford to have a working clone. Or even a few when I rely on a program that just didn't make it to the new os and or doesn't play well with Rosetta and I want to run it in an older OS. When you can automate your clone update to happen at lunch and 6pm it's really not that hard to keep your clones current. The cost of the drives and the program that does the clone is well worth it... when it works like it use to. But now it appears that functionality is dead for some reason.


The modern replacement is a new computer. Turn on iCloud with all options. If anything ever fails, you've got a backup ready in seconds.......

iCloud does not work if you lose your internet connection or are on a system that is not allowed to be connected to the internet. The iCloud option may work for some but it is not a catch all.

Having a second computer as my backup seems like a new expensive solution that replaces an older much cheaper one. Plus the old way of doing it also let me run different versions of the OS and swap between them. I didn't need to buy a new computer just to try a new OS.


The bootable clone way is a better cheaper way. I'd very much like to get back to that.

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