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Merging Photo Libraries in iCloud - one large and one small - request review of plan

After I finalize migrating my Aperture Library to Photos I'll have two libraries to merge: my 400GB ApertureLibraryConverted and a 3GB PhotosLibrary. The PhotosLibrary is the current System Photo Library. There are no images that belong to both. I pay for 2TB iCloud storage.


If I merge using iCloud my plan is simply make the ApertureLibraryConverted the System Photo Library. That should merge the two though I've not seen details on how the merge happens.


Alternatively I could use Fat Cat Software's PowerPhotos to merge, purge my existing iCloud System Photo Library, then make the FatCatMergedLibrary the System Photo Library.


I'd welcome any suggestions on the best way to proceed. I will have lots of backups of everything so if it goes badly I can redo.



Posted on Jul 25, 2023 12:37 PM

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Jul 26, 2023 11:45 PM in response to jfaughnan

I also saw mention that iCloud Photo Library video cannot exceed 15 minutes in length but I couldn't find a source for that (photo sharing video is limited to 15 minute).


I have not seen any mention of a length limit for iCloud Photos Library videos, only for Shared Albums. But I can confirm that some of my videos are longer than 15 minutes and have been synced with iCloud Photos from to my Mac to my iPhone and iPad, no problem. For example - one video is 48 minutes, onother one 1 hour 42 minutes long:


The AVI videos have been blocking the syncing, I also had to remove all AVCHD videos taken with my video recorder from the library.

But I have converted all videos to use either H.264 or HVEC as a codec, either with Motion or the free Handbrake.


I tested all videos simply by exporting the unmodified originals to a folder, then reimporting them in small batches to a different, empty library created for testing. Any video, that could no longer be imported without an error message had to be removed from my library and converted to a different format. Some more ideas how to check the media in your library in this user tip: How to Weed out Legacy Media in Photos for Mac - Apple Community


If the sync sticks does Apple give an error message on the problem (maybe in Console?).


I have not seen anything in the Console, when the syncing is hanging. In the status bar below the Photos window the count of items for uploading may not change for days, however, and then sometimes we can see "on this mac only" or "unable to upload". The last two are indicating a problem, also, if you are seeing "items" instead of videos or photos. If you are seeing "items", photos cannot recognise it as a video or photo. It might be an audio file or a PDF or any other format, that is no longer supported by Photos.



Jul 26, 2023 10:49 AM in response to jfaughnan

When you switch between two different libraries as your system Photos Library and iCloud Photos Library, the library you enabled currently as the iCloud Photos Library will be uploaded into iCloud and merged into your existing iCloud Photos Library.


In your case you are already having a small Photos Library in iCloud, your 3GB PhotosLibrary. When you now make the 400GB iCloud ApertureLibraryConverted the System Photo Library and turn on iCloud Photos, the complete library will be uploaded into iCloud Photos. Photos will check for duplicates and conflicting metadata against the photos already in iCloud, then the merged library will sync back to your currently used "ApertureLibraryConverted".

You can expect the whole process to take several weeks to complete, given the size of your Aperture Library Converted.

Watch the status bar below the All Photos view for problems, see: Check the status of your library in Photos for macOS - Apple Support. As your Aperture Library might contain older videos in a legacy format, the syncing could hang. If there should be items "Unable to upload" or "On this Mac only", they need removing from the library and fixing.


Jul 26, 2023 5:47 PM in response to léonie

Thank you léonie. I hadn't thought of the sync issue, but of course I have AVI videos from 2006 in the Library. Are there particular videos I should extract now and put into a queue for updating? (Video is such a pain!).


I found a post that referenced Motion format support as a guide to iCloud -> Supported media formats in Motion - Apple Support. I also saw mention that iCloud Photo Library video cannot exceed 15 minutes in length but I couldn't find a source for that (photo sharing video is limited to 15 minute). If the sync sticks does Apple give an error message on the problem (maybe in Console?).


I'm not surprised it takes weeks. We have symmetric GB fiber so this will be an excruciating test.


Jul 26, 2023 11:59 PM in response to hotwheels22

hotwheels, it will depend on the system version on your Mac.

  • Any migration from Aperture to Photos would have best been done on macOS 10.14 or earlier, when we could still run Photos and Aperture side-by-side. On Mojave we can compare the new, migrated Aperture library in Photos directly to the old Library in Aperture and fix incorrect dates, missing metadata, incomplete smart albums, etc.
  • On the system versions macOS 10.15 to macOS 12 we could at least migrate Aperture Libraries by opening them in Photos, but could no longer run a full version of Aperture to view the library in Aperture.
  • Since macOS 13 Ventura we can no longer open and view the Aperture Libraries even in Photos to see the structure of the library with the albums, folders, projects. We can just import the photos and videos from it to Photos. Here has come FatCat Software to the rescue with the most recent version of PowerPhotos. It can now migrate Aperture and iPhoto Libraries to Photos Libraries, preserving the structure, even on macOS 13, Ventura.

I kept my older macs on macOS 10.14 Mojave. This way it is much easier to handle videos in a legacy format or to retrieve media from the old Aperture Libraries. It is also the last systemversion that has been storing the original image files with their original filename.


Jul 26, 2023 10:37 AM in response to jfaughnan

Hello jfaughnan,


Thanks for using Apple Support Communities, it's great to have you here.


For assistance with this Aperture issue, we want to recommend that you reach out to Apple directly for support by heading here: Get Support. If support is available in your region, this will let you work directly with an Advisor who specializes in exactly this type of issue with Aperture so they will be your best bet from here.


We hope that this information is helpful.


​Have a great day!

Jul 26, 2023 6:33 PM in response to jfaughnan

i appreciate your thinking of the larger community as you do this. i also hope i am not intruding. however i am in the same boat and i'm less technically inclined.

can you say which OS you are on?

can you clarify (please) if you have a plan for doing this via iCloud and if so what it entails?

can you clarify (please) if you have a plan for how to do this using Fat Cat Software?

-> meaning do you have proposed methods currently for one of the two or both? or are you asking here how to accomplish this?

Jul 26, 2023 6:47 PM in response to léonie

hi leonie,

i have been following this poster as i am in the same situation with the caveat that i have equally large libraries in aperture and with photos.

the photos library contains important Albums i am trying to get to for business reasons.

but there is a large amount of data i would like to sort before migrating. so the idea was to split the aperture library for now and migrate the albums and projects only to photos app.

-> A. if i am following you are saying that my thinking that i am "migrating" an aperture library to the photos app is not really correct? and instead the process is to open the library not currently being synced (in my case the aperture library) so it uploads to the cloud? and to then re-open my "original" library that is currently synced? and in this way they will get merged?(!)

-> B. is there an advantage or disadvantage to my thinking about a temporary step of EXPORTING aperture photos in my ALBUMS to the desktop and then IMPORTING them into Photos app one by one while recreating the named Albums as i do this? then presumably i could just delete them out of the aperture library and deal with the i sorted images in aperture later? and in this way get access to my old albums?(!)

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apologies but i do think in following the OP on this issue that my questions are related. but of course will defer to the OP if i should post elsewhere.

Jul 26, 2023 8:14 PM in response to jfaughnan

Wheels, the original post had a link to a blog post with more details that the moderator removed as "inappropriate". Sorry about that, the Discussions used to allow external links. I suspect I can't even mention my URL!


If you search on the exact phrase "Converting from Aperture to Apple Photos: Personal results" google might find it for you. I hope that's not stretching the limits of what we're allowed to post here.

Jul 29, 2023 7:29 AM in response to léonie

This is a great post léonie, on rereading it now I understand better. I tried a 2006 AVI file with Photos.app/iCloud and that imported and played on my iPhone. So I'll test the videos a batch at a time with my small Photos library to identify the problem formats needing transcoding. (I recently saw a blog post I wrote on converting from iPhoto 8 to Aperture in 2012! Back then I sometimes needed to change the file format without changing the codec (no transcoding) -- which works for some videos.

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