ventura 3.5 mail not sending if body is empty

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ventura 3.5 mail not sending if body is empty

After upgrade to Ventura 3.5 mail sending does not work if body of email is empty.

i normally use “subject only” emails to test things after an upgrade. It took me a full day to realize that it actually DOES work but only if body is non-empty.

On MacBook Air M1.

A fellow tweaker found the same issue also on Ventura 13.5

I found the relevant logging via connection dokter:

logging snippet WITH body:

————————————————

WROTE Aug 07 11:58:12.920 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_2] -- host:xxxxxxxxx.nl -- port:587 -- socket:0x6000003b5680 -- thread:0x60000386b980

AUTH PLAIN (*** 80 bytes hidden ***)

READ Aug 07 11:58:12.939 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_2] -- host:xxxxxxxxx.nl -- port:587 -- socket:0x6000003b5680 -- thread:0x60000386b980

235 2.7.0 Authentication successful

WROTE Aug 07 11:58:12.939 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_2] -- host:xxxxxxxxx.nl -- port:587 -- socket:0x6000003b5680 -- thread:0x60000386b980

MAIL FROM:<stefan@xxxxxxxxx.nl>

---> and it keeps running

logging snippet WITHOUT body:

——————————————————.

WROTE Aug 07 12:05:51.260 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_2] -- host:xxxxxxxxx.nl -- port:587 -- socket:0x60000036e280 -- thread:0x600003f3db40

AUTH PLAIN (*** 80 bytes hidden ***)

READ Aug 07 12:05:51.284 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_2] -- host:xxxxxxxxx.nl -- port:587 -- socket:0x60000036e280 -- thread:0x600003f3db40

235 2.7.0 Authentication successful

WROTE Aug 07 12:05:51.284 [kCFStreamSocketSecurityLevelTLSv1_2] -- host:xxxxxxxxx.nl -- port:587 -- socket:0x60000036e280 -- thread:0x600003f3db40

QUIT

--> and than it stops.

Posted on Aug 7, 2023 5:21 AM

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Answer 1

Stefan_nnn Author

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Aug 7, 2023 8:43 AM in response to leroydouglas

Thanks,

”put something in the body and compare results” > is exactly what I did, you can see the 2 loggings. Without body it “quits”, while with body it keeps running.

indeed it’s something that you can live with IF YOU KNOW. I am used to sending testmails without body. It took me a full Sunday to realize that mail was NOT broken after Ventura 13.5 upgrade but that we just had a new “feature”.

defenitke not server related. Things work fine on the same imap accounts on a 13.4.1 MacBook.

anyway, thanks for the bug-report link. I did that.

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dialabrain

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Sep 26, 2023 2:55 PM in response to APPELYAPPLES

FWIW, the issue doesn't occur in Sonoma 14.0.

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Answer 3

Apr 27, 2024 6:42 PM in response to Stefan_nnn

This issue occurs on a MacBook Pro (15-inch, 2017) updated from macOS 13.x.x to 13.6.6. Tried deleting the mail cache from ~/Library/Mail/V10 and having user sign out of iCloud email and back in and issue persists. Informed them to use a body in the email even if just a single '.'

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Answer 4

Aug 7, 2023 8:23 AM in response to Stefan_nnn

Stefan_nnn wrote:

After upgrade to Ventura 3.5 mail sending does not work if body of email is empty.

i normally use “subject only” emails to test things after an upgrade. It took me a full day to realize that it actually DOES work but only if body is non-empty.

On MacBook Air M1.

Put something in the body and compare your results...

put a period in the body if you have to send email with no content(?)

I suspect many SMTP servers consider "content-less "email as spam.

if this is an issue for you—to be proactive you can file a bug report /submit your Apple Feedback here:

https://www.apple.com/feedback/mail.html

The current stable release of Ventura including bug fixes, security updates is macOS Ventura 13.5

Keep your Mac up to date - Apple Support

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Answer 5

Aug 7, 2023 10:39 AM in response to Stefan_nnn

Always include text in the body when testing. That is fundamental good computing.

“hello world” is ubiquitous for a reason… it hardly gets any more basic than that.

I do not see this as a bug—

you can certainly send feedback.

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dialabrain

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Aug 7, 2023 9:51 PM in response to Stefan_nnn

FWIW, I can confirm your results at least for a gmail account, in Ventura 13.5. Even a single character works. I don't think I would call it anything but a feature change. I can't imagine there are many people sending out empty emails.

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Ray_Z

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Sep 6, 2023 11:13 AM in response to Stefan_nnn

I discovered this independently while testing e-mail commands sent to a Lyris e-mail list server. The commands are in the subject line with an empty body.

So, yes, I consider it a bug ... there are actual legitimate reasons to send such e-mails, and for it to fail silently is definitely a bug.

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dialabrain

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Sep 6, 2023 11:50 AM in response to Ray_Z

FWIW, if you consider it a bug, feel free to send a bug report from the feedback page.

Feedback - Mail - Apple

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satcomer

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Aug 7, 2023 9:36 AM in response to Stefan_nnn

In Mail menu item 'Window' and select the Connection Doctor' and print out your settings to make sure you registered with Google to use the external Mail account!

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Stefan_nnn Author

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Aug 7, 2023 9:41 PM in response to satcomer

Thanks,

well… empty body DID work in 13.4.1, and also works for any email provider I know of. I would at least have expected a feature announcement if this was on purpose.

bug report has now been send.

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Stefan_nnn Author

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Aug 7, 2023 10:23 PM in response to dialabrain

Thanks,

Together with an other user that confirmed this there are now 3 confirmed cases. Than by now it’s definitely something general and not an issue for my install.

Not sending mail if it has no body but still playing the “whoosh” and not giving any error/warning message I personally definitely see as a bug. Especially since this was different in 13.4.1 and is different from any other mail client I know.

But… bit useless to fight over bug versus feature.

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Answer 12

Sep 26, 2023 2:40 PM in response to Stefan_nnn

Thank goodness other people have had trouble because of this too - setting up my emails was driving me nuts and I only now figured out it was because my test emails did not have bodies. This seems like an incredibly subtle behaviour change that should at the very least throw a prompt rather than failing silently!

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