Photos app on my 2014 27 inch iMac has problems with my 3 terabytes of family photos. Suggest a replacement machine?

Photos app on my 2104 27 inch iMac has problems with the 3 terabytes of family photos. the 3 terabytes of family photos are stored on external disk drive. I attribute the problems to the relatively slow speed of disk drive acess on my iMac. AmorphousDiskMark calcultes speeds of 50 MB/s to 150Mb/s with higher speeds on the Thunderbolt ports than the USB-A ports. macStudio AmorphousDiskMark results published for macStudio are 3000 MB/s for an external Thunderbolt drive, which is 50 times faster than my machine. The problem with the Photos app is that is very, very slow to load and very, very slow to respond to inputs. My guess is things will work a lot better with a macStudio system and an external Thunderbolt drive. Am I right? The macOS library that is used by the Photos app is 100% on the external drive. It has to be on the external drive because my iMac's hard drive is only 1 terabyte and I have 3 terabytes of family photos.

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Posted on Aug 20, 2023 10:29 AM

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Posted on Aug 20, 2023 4:11 PM

Your EtreCheck report indicates the computer has not been restarted in 26 days, a restart is certainly warranted. In addition, yes the computer is obsolete and is still using the original Fusion Drive. Your next computer should have SSD storage (I'd recommend up to 2 TB) which is considerably faster and more reliable than any computer that relies on a HD. Please remember a Fusion Drive is a small SSD and a traditional HD fused together with software, while faster than a traditional HD system there is still a HD and yours is 10 years old and could fail at any time!


My solution to this was to upgrade to a Mac that supports Thunderbolt 4 and to get an external drive that supports Thunderbolt 4. What I ended up with is an iMac with 2 TB of SSD storage and an OWC Thunderbay 4 which you can find at https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/thunderbay-4/thunderbolt-3-raid-5. I configured the Thunderbay 4 for RAID 4 to get some redundancy so if/when a drive dies (they all eventually do) I can easily swap it out and not lose any data. In addition to my 4.5 TB photos library I also store my video library on the Thunderbay 4 which is another 10 GB. You can also get a Thunderbay Mini and install SSD's in it which would be quick but expensive too. You can find those at https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/thunderbay-4-mini/thunderbolt-3


No, this is not a cheap solution but it works extremely well and has serviced me for about 3 years now.

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Aug 20, 2023 4:11 PM in response to garygorman

Your EtreCheck report indicates the computer has not been restarted in 26 days, a restart is certainly warranted. In addition, yes the computer is obsolete and is still using the original Fusion Drive. Your next computer should have SSD storage (I'd recommend up to 2 TB) which is considerably faster and more reliable than any computer that relies on a HD. Please remember a Fusion Drive is a small SSD and a traditional HD fused together with software, while faster than a traditional HD system there is still a HD and yours is 10 years old and could fail at any time!


My solution to this was to upgrade to a Mac that supports Thunderbolt 4 and to get an external drive that supports Thunderbolt 4. What I ended up with is an iMac with 2 TB of SSD storage and an OWC Thunderbay 4 which you can find at https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/thunderbay-4/thunderbolt-3-raid-5. I configured the Thunderbay 4 for RAID 4 to get some redundancy so if/when a drive dies (they all eventually do) I can easily swap it out and not lose any data. In addition to my 4.5 TB photos library I also store my video library on the Thunderbay 4 which is another 10 GB. You can also get a Thunderbay Mini and install SSD's in it which would be quick but expensive too. You can find those at https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/thunderbay-4-mini/thunderbolt-3


No, this is not a cheap solution but it works extremely well and has serviced me for about 3 years now.

Aug 20, 2023 11:30 AM in response to garygorman

To eliminate some possible contribution to slow performance the iMac's internal drive, what storage is inside?


To give the best description of the storage device, its specs and its speed, posting a system config report will help us better understand your iMac's capabilities. I can show if a slow internal storage is hindering the externals from working to best capacity.


Fortunately there is a safe, secure way to do that without our playing a protracted game of "20 Questions" or "Try This Next" that could go on for days. We can quickly and within the confines of these forums help you determine what issues are at play if you use EtreCheck Pro, available here:


https://etrecheck.com/index


The free version will do nicely for this purpose, although the app is worthy of our financial support.


We can see hard data about drive performance, software issues, and RAM usage. Etrecheck is the development of a long-serving and trusted contributor here expressly for displaying information in these forums to help us help you. It will not reveal any personal or secure information.


For you issue, EtreCheck can also detect a known bottlenecking sub-process in Photos, photoanalysisd


This excellent user tip helps with posting long text reports like EtreCheck here.


How to use the Add Text Feature When Post… - Apple Community 




Aug 20, 2023 4:18 PM in response to garygorman

I don't see any of the usual suspects in the report. However, your read and write speeds are lower than expected:


Write speed: 255 MB/s

 Read speed: 716 MB


You could benefit from an external SSD that you've cloned your boot drive to and boot and run from it. I recommend drives from OWC (MacSales.com) as they have proven reliability, excellent customer support and warranties.  Consider one of these depending on your budget and needs: 


OWC Envoy Pro FX Thunderbolt 3 + USB-C Portable NVMe SSD**

OWC Envoy Pro SX Rugged Portable NVMe SSD with Thunderbolt/USB4

OWC Envoy Pro Elektron USB-C portable NVMe SSD

Envoy Pro EX with USB-C or USB 3 


For your particular Mac model contact OWC's customer support and get their recommendation for the SSD model that would best suit your iMac model, work requirements and budget.  They may have additional models other than those I've shown above.


Also you haven't rebooted in 26 days. That's way too long. Rebooting frequently will clean out temporary system and application cache and swap files. That will help with performance. I shutdown every night and reboot in the morning. However, every other day would be good practice.


Your first reboot should be a boot into Safe Mode according to How to use safe mode on your Mac and then a normal reboot.


NOTE 1: Safe Mode boot can take up to 3 - 5 minutes as it's doing the following; 

• Verifies your startup disk and attempts to repair directory issues, if needed

• Loads only required kernel extensions (prevents 3rd party kernel/extensions from loading)

• Prevents Startup Items and Login Items from opening automatically

• Disables user-installed fonts 

• Deletes font caches, kernel cache, and other system cache files


NOTE 2: if you have a wireless keyboard with rechargeable batteries connect it with its charging cable before booting into Safe Mode. This makes it act as a wired keyboard as will insure a successful boot into Safe Mode.


Aug 20, 2023 3:28 PM in response to garygorman

There is one called Mylio.


https://mylio.com/


I don’t know much about it, or have any experience with it, other than seeing people occasionally mention it. But you could add it to a list of “things to research.”


As far as your current setup goes, putting the master copy of your Photos Library onto an external SSD might help. (I don’t know if it would help enough.). But I would strongly advise using HDDs for backups… SSDs left unpowered for long periods of time (years?) can lose data.

Aug 20, 2023 3:21 PM in response to Allan Jones

Thanks Allan, that etrechek is new and interesting. Etrechek gives me the following major warning: "This computer could be considered to be obsolete." My iMac is 2014 27 inch.


etrechek did not flag photoanalysid as far as I can tell.


The entire etrechek result is posted below, but I suspect there is no information in the etrechek report that addresses the slow speed of the Photos app when an external drive houses the Photos app library of size 3 terabytes.


I suspect that what I need is better information about the performance of the Photos app. Does the Photos app perform better on a macStudio machine? Of course should be yes, but maybe a macStudio machine cannot handle a 3 terabyte Photos Library either.


A further question about the Photos app: Does the speed of the Thunderbolt or USB-C port affect the performance of the Photos app when the Photos Library is 3 terabytes on an external disk drive? Answer again should be "of course" but I don't know whether or to what extent higher speed Thunderbolt or USB ports will improve the performance of Photos with an external drive and a Library size of 3 terabytes on the external drive.


Here is my etrechek report:



Aug 20, 2023 3:42 PM in response to Servant of Cats

Thanks for that suggestion, Cat Servant. Mylio's primary selling point is the consolidation and aggregation of photos from your computer, laptop, ipad, and cellphone with zero user effort. Just load Mylio, identify the devices and Mylio tracks and backs up all of the devices.


My problem is different. I have all my photos on one iMac. I need an app and/or system that works well with a 5 terabyte library. I suspect that macStudio is designed precisely for this sort of situation but I cannot confirm that.


My Photos Library is 100% on the external hard disk, not SSD.

Aug 20, 2023 6:29 PM in response to rkaufmann87

Thanks rkaufmann. That's exactly the sort of info i need. What I hear you saying is that my system needs to be replaced, which is what I expected. And when I replace my system I should see massive performance improvements. I don't think I need RAID because I do not need instant recovery from a drive failure. Once every two or three years when I have a drive failure I just order a replacement drive and two to three days later I am back up and running. Rather than RAID, I prefer the fastest possible response. Fastest possible response suggests not-RAID, I think. Am I correct? Both my desktop drive and my Photos Library external drive are backed up to a second external HDD using Time Machine. Does RAID offer any advantage other than instant recovery from drive failure?

Aug 20, 2023 6:31 PM in response to rkaufmann87

Thanks rkaufmann. That's exactly the sort of info i need. What I hear you saying is that my system needs to be replaced, which is what I expected. And when I replace my system I should see massive performance improvements. I don't think I need RAID because I do not need instant recovery from a drive failure. Once every two or three years when I have a drive failure I just order a replacement drive and two to three days later I am back up and running. Rather than RAID, I prefer the fastest possible response. Fastest possible response suggests not-RAID, I think. Am I correct? Both my desktop drive and my Photos Library external drive are backed up to a second external HDD using Time Machine. Does RAID offer any advantage other than instant recovery from drive failure?

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