System Data is taking up too much internal storage space.

Hello, as the title suggests.


I've watched multiple YouTube videos on how to tackle this problem. But none of them have addressed my specific issue. I watched a video by the folks at BuhoCleaner and another by the folks at Clean My Mac. They both mentioned that cleaning out the Trash folder, Recents, Downloads and deleting backups saved onto the device would take care of most of it. I tried all of those methods, none of them worked.


Keep in mind I have a 256GB internal storage, so that eaten up space will negatively affect the internal SSDs lifespan over time and will just be bloated data that doesn't contribute to anything. I use an external SSD hub that attaches to my M1 Mac mini with a 1TB SSD that acts as a measure to not overfill my internal storage.


For clarification, I'm a music producer and animator of sorts. I use most of the Apple Pro Apps such as Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, Motion, and Compressor for a lot of my creativity. So maybe therein lies the problem. I am not sure though.


Another video that I saw shared that I should remove cache from Adobe After Effects (AE) inside the Application Support folder inside my Library folder. I don't use AE anymore and there was around 25GB worth of junk there too, so luckily I was able to delete that and Adobe Creative Cloud. But I still have roughly 70GB worth of system data that I don't know where it's coming from or how to delete it.


I tried to use BuhoCleaner to remove the system data but that app only goes so far. There is also Clean My Mac that can do this but it is more expensive than BuhoCleaner. I don't need Clean My Mac's anti-Malware software as I use Malwarebytes. If Clean My Mac would be more like BuhoCleaner then maybe I would give them a try but not now. Too expensive.


Anyway, if any of you have any suggestions or solutions that are free, please let me know. Thank you for your time and help.


P.S. I am running Ventura 13.6.3 btw and as I mentioned previously, I have an M1 Mac mini.


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Posted on Jan 13, 2024 7:09 AM

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Jan 13, 2024 11:51 AM in response to Renzoco

One thing you can do is remove all local snapshots except the latest with Disk Utility:



Regarding the System Date it used to be called the Other Category which is a potpourri of files which can include:


• System temporary files

• macOS system folders

• Archives and disk images (.zip, .iso, etc. - often found in the Downloads folder)

• Personal user data

• Files from the user’s library (Application Support, iCloud files, screensavers, etc.)

• Cache files: browser, Mail

• Mail messages & attachments

• Fonts, plugins, extensions

• Safari reading list

• iTunes backups

• Crud resulting from jailbreaking your iDevice

• Game data

• Saved data files

• Call history

• Notes

• Media

• Voice memos

• Other files that are not recognized by a Spotlight search

• Media files that cannot be classified by Spotlight as a media file because they are located inside of a package

• Files created and modified by other user accounts on your Mac.


They can be located anywhere on your hard drive.



The files that you have control over are located in the Documents, Downloads, Pictures, Music and Movies folders.  You can use this free app, GrandPerspective, to find the largest files on your drive so you can determine if they can be deleted or moved to an external HD for storage.


Note: you can empty the Downloads folder after the apps and/or updates that were downloaded have been installed or applied.  Some users have found a couple of Gigabytes of files in their Downloads folder which are no longer needed. 


Jan 14, 2024 10:13 AM in response to Renzoco

Are you using Time Machine? If you don't have a backup strategy in place you'll lose your data eventually. It's like driving without a seatbelt. You don't need it until you do and then it's too late.


The app is free from the developer's site but $3 from Apple:


Download GrandPerspective from Sourceforge for free or from the App Store for $2.99. You'll get the same app either way.


If you need a good external SSD go to OWC (MacSales.com) and contact their Customer Support. See what they support for your particular Mac, work requirements and budget. OWC is considered the premier 3rd party provider of Mac hardware by most of the experienced contributors here.


One last reminder: If you don't have a backup strategy get one implemented ASAP!



Jan 14, 2024 2:50 AM in response to Renzoco

User wrote " Keep in mind I have a 256GB internal storage" and " For clarification, I'm a music producer and animator of sorts. I use most of the Apple Pro Apps such as Logic Pro, Final Cut Pro, Motion, and Compressor for a lot of my creativity. So maybe therein lies the problem. I am not sure though. "


To do what you would to do, would require a computer with at least 2 TB Capacity Internal Drive


Not matter how clean of an installation is kept on this machine, using the High End Apple Applications you have listed is going to an ongoing struggle.



May consider investing in a very good General Enclosure and a very good Large Capacity SSD Drive for the enclosure


I am sure @Old Toad 😎 has some very excellent suggestions on where to get them and what to look for as per your machine Specific Configuration


Then, follow along from this User Tip to Install and Run the machine Off the External Drive


Use an external SSD as your startup disk with your iMac or Mac mini



Jan 14, 2024 11:14 AM in response to Old Toad

Ah bugger, I should have downloaded GrandPerspective from the website. Lesson learned to look at the devs website before making a purchase. But I guess it's good to support the dev too 😃.


And I have used Time Machine (TM) in the past. Thanks for the suggestion of backing up my Mac. I realize it is a necessary thing to do. I haven't done so lately.


For context I store most of my project files on an external 1 TB SSD and 1 TB HDD, so it isn't that dangerous as you are making it out to be. I run the Logic Pro Sound Library through that external SSD, etc. The problem I am encountering is that System Data eats up my internal storage.


And I received your message PRP_53, I am not sure why you deleted it or if someone else did but I found it useful.


As PRP_53 suggested I should have at least 2TB of storage for these pro apps. In relation to both of your messages I am thinking of upgrading my M1 Mac mini to have more internal storage space. I do have enough external space but not internal. There is actually a way to do this internal upgrade which was demonstrated by a Luke Miani video. Upgrading from 256GB to 2TB is technically possible on the M1 line of Mac minis. I am in contact with the same person that helped Luke Miani upgrade his system. I know it will void warranty if I do this modification, but I got my mini used anyhow, warranty expired when I bought it LOL.


I would also like to mention that I've encountered problems using TM in the past. For example, I downloaded Ventura and then wanted to downgrade to Monterey. Unfortunately that downgrade wasn't possible. Even when I contacted Apple support, they couldn't figure it out either. That's why I stopped using TM. But I guess backing up is different from downgrading. Safer too.


Thanks to the both of you. I have a lot to consider.

Jan 14, 2024 1:22 PM in response to Renzoco

Trying to upgrade the internal drive, as PRP_53 pointed out is very risky as well as neigh impossible. You'd be so much better putting your files on external drives and just have the system and apps on your internal drive. I have 6 external SSD for my data files in this configuration:



It's easily expandable and changeable. You can get faster SSDs by having them in their own cases with the appropriate chip. This works for me.

Jan 13, 2024 4:52 PM in response to Old Toad

Thank you Mr. Tode for this info. Unfortunately deleting local snapshots isn't necessary as I haven't any. I looked at the app you recommended and it is actually $3USD on the App Store. I went ahead and bought it. It is useful but it didn't solve my problem either. I let it scan my internal HD but nothing stood out to me that was glaringly out of the ordinary.


Jan 14, 2024 1:11 PM in response to Renzoco

Use wrote " As PRP_53 suggested I should have at least 2TB of storage for these pro apps. In relation to both of your messages I am thinking of upgrading my M1 Mac mini to have more internal storage space. I do have enough external space but not internal. There is actually a way to do this internal upgrade which was demonstrated by a Luke Miani video. Upgrading from 256GB to 2TB is technically possible on the M1 line of Mac minis. I am in contact with the same person that helped Luke Miani upgrade his system. I know it will void warranty if I do this modification, but I got my mini used anyhow, warranty expired when I bought it LOL."


All M Class Apple Silicon Computer have the Internal Drive Soldered to the Logicboard as is the RAM


Buyers oversight, at time of Purchase

Jan 14, 2024 1:59 PM in response to Owl-53

Did you even look at the video I shared? It seems like you are being dismissive, which is a bit mean.


Here is a link to an article in Macworld in case you want a synopsis. Not only does Luke Miani's technical friend say it's feasible (they even provided video evidence that it is which I originally shared), but so does Rossmann Repair Group and the two Chinese engineers that made this feat possible.


This modification is specific to the M1 line of Mac mini's though, I don't know if this is possible on the M1 MacBook Pros or Airs. You would have been correct to say that the newer M2's aren't able to do this anymore. But you were incorrect in generalizing.


Also, no, it wasn't an oversight to buy an M1 Mac mini with 256GB storage. It was an economical purchase. Some people don't have thousands of dollars to spend on a computer. And Apple charges a premium for storage.


I've hooked up an external SSD with this Mac in a hub, as I previously mentioned, for two years now. The problems I run into include Logic Pro's Sound Library not syncing up to my external SSD though. And that Sound Library takes up around a fourth of my internal storage capacity.


These are technical difficulties and details that 1) you didn't know about and 2) weren't curious about. Also you painted the consumer as the one who created the problem for themselves. That's an assumption that can be interpreted as being dishonest by many customers. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, however; but please do your research before you let your confirmation bias dictate. I've made this mistake in the past. I think we all have.


Kind regards,

Renzoco

Jan 14, 2024 2:16 PM in response to Renzoco


IMHO - There has been sufficient advise offered for the User ( you ) to make an informed and educated choice what remedial actions are required for this computer.

The suggestions have been put forth on a volunteer basis, in good faith and in the best interests of the computer.


Best of luck on whatever you choose to explore

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