Ventura booted and logged in to an account in a reasonable time but immediately after installing a second user account it still boots up ok, but takes approx. 8 times longer to login to an account.
Any help appreciated?
Is this a known thing? Even one new user account involves many new system (multi user) processes to startup?
This should not happen, not even if both accounts were logged in. It can take a bit longer if you are already logged in and log in to the other account, but even then it should never be anything that long
How much free space on your system drive?
Please run Etrecheck and post its full report here.
Use the “additional text” button and paste the report into the text box.
This should not happen, not even if both accounts were logged in. It can take a bit longer if you are already logged in and log in to the other account, but even then it should never be anything that long
How much free space on your system drive?
Please run Etrecheck and post its full report here.
Use the “additional text” button and paste the report into the text box.
Sorry, somehow I missed that. I have not been sitting at my mac, and seeing the posts on my iPhone is not very practical for my old eyes.
Now I can have a better look at the report, and there are quite a few things that stand out.
More than one antivirus app - including the infamous "cleanmymac".
This is utter garbage (often dubbed "brickmymac" around here); and you also have avg.
Uninstall them both completely.
See Effective defenses against malware and other threats
The OS on this mac has been upgraded in place ever since you got in, and probably already with stuff migrated from a previous mac.
This is extremely convenient, but over time a lot of old stuff accumulates, and may cause problems.
For example, you still have flip4mac, many years after it ceased to work.
You have Soundflower, which does not work in Ventura.
You have very old Paragon software for NTFS.
There is a lot of stuff in there.
I think that your mac would definitely benefit from a clean install.
You could also try installing a clean OS on a new external SSD. They are not that expensive nowadays, and it would probably give you a more responsive mac than the internal.
In any case, start by making sure to have an up to date backup.
Are you using Time Machine regularly? If you are launch Disk Utility, select the Data container and see if you have many local snapshots. They can take up a lot of space as this screenshot shows:
Once a week I check my Data disk for local snapshots and remove all but the latest one. That keeps my boot drive with plenty of free space to help with system performance.
Your system drive is DANGEROUSLY full. I am surprised that your mac works properly even with just one user logged in.
Try to make some 100GB of free space NOW, before you lose data.
Then we can address other issues in the report.
Hey Luis,
**note: please also read my other "final" reply on this.
final final reply:
interesting - installed a small MacOS update yesterday. And the login delays disappeared immediately.
So maybe there was some recent bug in Ventura when setting up a second account that is now fixed????
I guess we'll never know!
(now onto implementing all those excellent suggestions you made Thx :) )
Rod.
Select the drive in Finder and press Command-I
Does that 200GB+ show up as free or just “available”? How much space is “purgeable”?
Wooooo thanks Toad Hall
I knew these TM snapshots get deleted automatically - did NOT know that they hung around for so long.
Mostly because I only run TM manually twice a month.
Have deleted mine and will do so every month.
I'm sure Servant of Cats would have pointed this out also.
Many thanks mate. :)
Oooh thanks Luis!
Yeah dumb thing by me - created the new (2nd) user account, imported lots of data and forgot to delete it when finished (then forgot all about it) :(
So steps:
(1) increased free space to 286GB
(2) Ran Disk utility repair on all volumes. No repairs made!
Status:
My account still starts 4-5 times more slowly than before 2nd account created.
Dock will not appear for 2 minutes (was 10-20 secs before)|
"start at login" apps don't even try to start for 2-3 minutes (was approx. 30 secs before)
User account generally not useable at all for 5-7 mins. (was approx. 1 min before)
Once fully "logged in" everything runs just fine. Just login is now slooooow.
Notes:
I only had approx. 100GB free space before creating 2nd account.
My account started fast with no problems
After creating 2nd account I imported approx. 50GB of data into it. No other setup done.
The very next login to my account was, and remains, very slow.
Now freeing up space (286GB free) and Disk Utility run hasn't helped much.
Does the new ETRECHECK show anything? Noting that anything affecting performance was there BEFORE I created the 2nd account and login slowed down. Hard to know what changed!
Many thanks Luis.
Hey Luis,
sorry a bit confused. I posted a screenshot of the new HD Info above yesterday showing the 286GB free (402MB purgeable).
Jan 21, 2024 1:23 PM in response to Luis Sequeira1
Is there some other HD info you need?
Also above is the 2nd (latest) ETRECHECK report.
HD Info repeated here:
BTW: in case you were wondering - I can't now easily delete the second user account to test if this removes the lag problem. My wife is using it.
Thanks mate. :)
Hey Luis,
Thanks for replying:
two things:
(1)
Appreciate and understand all your suggestions above. I've been slack as until a few days ago everything ran just fine.
I will implement most of your suggestions!
(2)
None of the suggestions explain why my iMac suddenly took ages to log me in (immediately after setting up the second user account).
All those "issues" have existed for ages.
Quite a puzzle
My only thought is that in setting up the second user account I copied too much data onto the hard drive under that account. And maybe I need to free up even more hard drive space?
Surely though 286GB free hard drive space is enough?
(I'm sure I had less than that BEFORE I setup the second user account.
Puzzled am I.
Anyway I will tidy up some more.
Log in delay is now not quite so bad.
MANY thanks mate! :)
Thanks for helping Luis,
Free system space:
Ventura very slow to start when second user account installed
