Application folder is 17.5 GB. 373 GB in System Settings

Cmd-I on Application folder shows 17.5 GB but System Settings>General>Storage says 373GB Storage. What give?


I just ran out of storage on my 512GB MBA. I was seeing a ~400GB System Data. I removed some apps and deleted the entire /Cache. As anyone who has been this position knows it's a fight because everything is crashing. Now 33 GB.



MBA M1 2020. Sonoma 14.2.1.


I only have 13 GB free space and from past experience would like to get that to at least 25 GB.


Apple could do a better job of warning about this impending problem.

MacBook Air (M1, 2020)

Posted on Jan 24, 2024 7:39 PM

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Posted on Jan 24, 2024 10:53 PM

Replying to self.

Looked at ~Library/Application Support thinking maybe it was getting counted as part of Applications. Doubt it would be, but it's 354 GB. Found that /Users/gscar/Library/Application Support/FileProvider/ was the main culprit. I used `du -ah . | sort -nr | head -n 5` from a SO post (https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/398952/how-to-identify-the-largest-files-in-a-directory-including-in-its-subdirectories) which turned up this as the top five:

```

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212946822/tracks/A/D/6/AD61A61C-64BF-4B39-9BFE-9ABAED66646B

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212946822/tracks/A/D/6

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212946822/tracks/9/A/4/9A4839DA-0DFC-4ED5-A1A7-B55146AA38F4

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212946822/tracks/9/A/4

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212926758/tracks/A/D/6/AD61A61C-64BF-4B39-9BFE-9ABAED66646B

```

Not ready to delete them yet until I figure out what they are. I had thought to update macOS while rebooting and looking at other user. But I don't have enough space to do it.


Looked at one file:

```

// !!! BINARY PROPERTY LIST WARNING !!!

//

// The pretty-printed property list below has been created

// from a binary version on disk and should not be saved as

// the ASCII format is a subset of the binary representation!

//

{ "$archiver" = "NSKeyedArchiver";

"$objects" = ( "$null", <789C0CD6 655895EF C3EF69F6 9E993D1D 7B4F773D CFFF178A 20200A88 520A8884

...

F4BECC7F 97CD7D59 9FCB987E 59BDCB32 F5B2BBE0 B23DBF2C 432ED3E4 32265CE6 C3CB187C 196F2EEB 71D9B7D9 657A5F56 F7B2992F 3FA8F257 BF5F7FFD ABBF3F87 FC4595FF FF1770B9 E82F0158 575076> );

"$top" = { compressedTrackCache = :false; };

"$version" = 100000;

}

```

at the end.


From here Wharf's ingest and propagate files have o… - Apple Community


"FileProvider is used by cloud-based systems, like Google Drive, DropBox, and iCloud Drive". I never have used Google Drive. Now only lightly using DropBox. I suspect iCloud Drive. If don't learn anything by tomorrow I'll just delete some or all of them. This is a secondary laptop I use to surf the Internet (no one says that anymore) and read mail and occasionally try things out. Files are on my mini. But I suppose the big risk is having iCloud go berserk and eliminate important files. I'll check backups before proceeding.

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Jan 24, 2024 10:53 PM in response to SoCalMtnBiker

Replying to self.

Looked at ~Library/Application Support thinking maybe it was getting counted as part of Applications. Doubt it would be, but it's 354 GB. Found that /Users/gscar/Library/Application Support/FileProvider/ was the main culprit. I used `du -ah . | sort -nr | head -n 5` from a SO post (https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/398952/how-to-identify-the-largest-files-in-a-directory-including-in-its-subdirectories) which turned up this as the top five:

```

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212946822/tracks/A/D/6/AD61A61C-64BF-4B39-9BFE-9ABAED66646B

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212946822/tracks/A/D/6

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212946822/tracks/9/A/4/9A4839DA-0DFC-4ED5-A1A7-B55146AA38F4

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212946822/tracks/9/A/4

996K ./0ED74972-6676-4BDA-8BE1-DFEC7D49708B/wharf/wharf/propagate/212926758/tracks/A/D/6/AD61A61C-64BF-4B39-9BFE-9ABAED66646B

```

Not ready to delete them yet until I figure out what they are. I had thought to update macOS while rebooting and looking at other user. But I don't have enough space to do it.


Looked at one file:

```

// !!! BINARY PROPERTY LIST WARNING !!!

//

// The pretty-printed property list below has been created

// from a binary version on disk and should not be saved as

// the ASCII format is a subset of the binary representation!

//

{ "$archiver" = "NSKeyedArchiver";

"$objects" = ( "$null", <789C0CD6 655895EF C3EF69F6 9E993D1D 7B4F773D CFFF178A 20200A88 520A8884

...

F4BECC7F 97CD7D59 9FCB987E 59BDCB32 F5B2BBE0 B23DBF2C 432ED3E4 32265CE6 C3CB187C 196F2EEB 71D9B7D9 657A5F56 F7B2992F 3FA8F257 BF5F7FFD ABBF3F87 FC4595FF FF1770B9 E82F0158 575076> );

"$top" = { compressedTrackCache = :false; };

"$version" = 100000;

}

```

at the end.


From here Wharf's ingest and propagate files have o… - Apple Community


"FileProvider is used by cloud-based systems, like Google Drive, DropBox, and iCloud Drive". I never have used Google Drive. Now only lightly using DropBox. I suspect iCloud Drive. If don't learn anything by tomorrow I'll just delete some or all of them. This is a secondary laptop I use to surf the Internet (no one says that anymore) and read mail and occasionally try things out. Files are on my mini. But I suppose the big risk is having iCloud go berserk and eliminate important files. I'll check backups before proceeding.

Jan 24, 2024 10:21 PM in response to SoCalMtnBiker

FWIW ... System Data: This category primarily includes files and data used by the system, such as log files, caches, VM files, and other runtime system resources. Also included are temporary files, fonts, app support files, and plug-ins. You can't manage the contents of this category. The contents are managed by macOS, and the category varies in size depending on the current state of your Mac.


It includes:

  • Time Machine local snapshots. These are common with laptops when you are using TM, but do not have a backup drive currently attached.
  • Spotlight indexing. You can rebuild the index. Rebuild the Spotlight index on your Mac - Apple Support
  • iCloud storage of infrequently used files


A couple of things you can do to reduce this category are:

  • Boot up your Mac in Safe Mode, then shutdown, and then, boot up again in normal mode.
  • Delete the local snapshots. You can do this via commands in the Terminal.
    • sudo tmutil listlocalsnapshots /
    • tmutil deletelocalsnapshots <enter the snapshot from what you found in the first command>


Jan 25, 2024 8:32 AM in response to SoCalMtnBiker

For the record...


That "Storage" display organizes data by category, not location. I'm not even sure if it is limited to the boot drive. It may display storage on any connected drive. But regardless, applications can be stored anywhere. The size of the "Applications" folder itself is irrelevant.


Furthermore, I don't know if that "Applications" category includes application data. But again, this is immaterial. It is always dangerous to delete files and folders inside any hidden folder, especially a "Library" folder. Manually deleting files and folders inside a "FileProvider" folder or similar is extremely dangerous. You will lose data. Your data losses may not be limited to the computer itself. Your data loss and/or corruption may extend to one or more cloud services.

Jan 25, 2024 6:14 AM in response to SoCalMtnBiker

There is another post about this issue. The problem was solved by determining what was filling up the wharf folders and moving those to a deeper folder location in the Documents folder. You could also move it out of iCloud Drive folders if you don’t need it synced across devices. You have to disable Desktop & Documents in iCloud Drive before moving anything. It may have worked solely because they deactivated the sync feature and re-enabled it.

If I find the post I’ll link to it.

Jan 24, 2024 8:36 PM in response to Mac Jim ID

Three: Me, test and Guest user.

Privileges: Admin, Standard, Off

I must have setup test some time ago to debug something. I doubt I've used it more than a couple of times. This computer may have never had a guest user.

No cleaner or optimizers ever installed.

In total 110 apps. Crazy. About 10 are iOS apps. I haven't added up those numbers, but they are sorted by size. 18 in the Utilities folder. All Apple I think. I looked at test user. A year and half ago I worked on one web app. 433 MB. Deleted it.


Thanks for any other suggestions

Jan 24, 2024 11:12 PM in response to SoCalMtnBiker

This would suggest that iCloud and DropBox are maybe not the culprit. This is the contents of FileProvider. Three db's are in `database` folder of the top folder. But they are too cryptic for me. Maybe just describing the folder structure. But nothing I could see that told me what app was responsible. `db-shm` was modified four hours ago. `db` and `db-wal` were created and modified Dec 11. My memory isn't nearly good enough to know what I might have done then.

Jan 25, 2024 8:57 AM in response to etresoft

Thanks for more info. By deduction I realized what you said in your second paragraph. Dangerous yes, but a computer that crashes and become almost non-functional is dangerous too. Apple could be more helpful with these situations.


PS As I said earlier, I have other backups and this is not my primary computer. I deleted 400GB, rebooted and computer seemed to work (doesn't mean data isn't disappearing) for an hour. Then emptied Trash (I stopped watching after it showed 1.5 million files deleted). Rebooted and now working. We'll see.

Jan 25, 2024 12:52 PM in response to MtnBiker

MtnBiker wrote:

I have other backups and this is not my primary computer. I deleted 400GB, rebooted and computer seemed to work (doesn't mean data isn't disappearing) for an hour. Then emptied Trash (I stopped watching after it showed 1.5 million files deleted). Rebooted and now working. We'll see.

Understood. But it would be a good idea to consider this a wake-up call and review your data storage and disaster recovery procedures.


I'm still in the middle of my own (Apple-induced) disaster recovery wake-up call. My incident included restoring from backup and then discovering that either my backup or my restored data was corrupt. My continued recovery efforts may have corrupted my iCloud data as well. The iCloud data is the only part I worry about because it gets propagated to other devices. I have plenty of backups and manual archives. But I still need to write some scripts to confirm that my existing data is valid.


I am so thankful that I bought a new MacBook Air recently. Dumb luck on my part.

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