card not added, contact issuer

devices:

ipad 9th gen

iphone 14 plus

apple watch se

iphone se.

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so, this tale of woe, and support sought begins sunday night after I updated my watch to watch os10.4, and my phones and ipad to 17.4. it was subsequent to the updates that whilst trying to troubleshoot an issue with my apple watch(subsequently fixed, it was the app switcher) and whilst prepping it for a send in service, I unpaired(aka reset) the watch.


then I discovered a solution to the issue, and elected not to send my watch in.



the REAL problem begins whilst trying to add my bank debit card back to the watch's apple pay.


it flat out refused, with the message 'card not added, contact issuer'.


so off I go to the bank(santander) fix that, and an unrelated issue, at the bank, and during the course of troubleshooting, I end up with my watch, my iphone 14 plus and my ipad 9th gen, all WITHOUT the ability to add my bank card to my apple pay.


the lone holdout..my old phone(which is currently my backup), the SE is the ONLY device with my bank card still on apple pay and still able to use it.


the aforementioned problem devices, ALL refuse to add my card back.


the banker's confused, the lady he called for further advice is confused, some jiggery pokery on her end and a reset to the authorized device tokens(9 device limit, note, have four, 3 are mission inoperable with apple pay atm).


the banker is supposed to have opened a ticket with the back end office as something has CLEARLY gone askew, one device? ok, could be the device and or software. two devices? skepticism takes hold. three? now you know theres an issue.


has anyone experienced ANY issues re-adding their bank cards to their apple pay(wallet) under similar or not similar circumstances and what was ultimately the solution?


edit before posting:

a further call to Apple has suggested I return to my bank(theres a branch across the street) and specifically request they reach out to their payment network partner(mastercard in this case) and inquire if there are any device blocks on the card, so that is what I will be doing tomorrow.

Posted on Mar 12, 2024 7:38 PM

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Posted on Mar 13, 2024 6:20 PM

Yeah I did go through this recently when upgrading to a new iphone, and technically the issue is still not fully resolved. But eventually I was able to add some of my cards back. I do wonder how common this issue is for people migrating between different apple devices.


Apple will always come back after investigating and say it is the payment network operator (visa/mastercard/etc.) that is denying the request for some reason. They are probably right. The banks will be somewhat clueless about that though. I haven't tried contacting them recently to push them to reach out to the PNO, because in the past they had no idea what I was talking about.


I had partial success after doing many resets over and over again by disabling the passcode on my phone (this will remove all your cards from your wallet!!!), re-enabling the passcode, and retrying adding the cards via the Wallet app (some successfully added). So for me it was a combination of time plus trying random things I saw on these forums. Some cards I still can't add though.

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Mar 13, 2024 6:20 PM in response to XRaiderV17

Yeah I did go through this recently when upgrading to a new iphone, and technically the issue is still not fully resolved. But eventually I was able to add some of my cards back. I do wonder how common this issue is for people migrating between different apple devices.


Apple will always come back after investigating and say it is the payment network operator (visa/mastercard/etc.) that is denying the request for some reason. They are probably right. The banks will be somewhat clueless about that though. I haven't tried contacting them recently to push them to reach out to the PNO, because in the past they had no idea what I was talking about.


I had partial success after doing many resets over and over again by disabling the passcode on my phone (this will remove all your cards from your wallet!!!), re-enabling the passcode, and retrying adding the cards via the Wallet app (some successfully added). So for me it was a combination of time plus trying random things I saw on these forums. Some cards I still can't add though.

Mar 18, 2024 9:25 AM in response to XRaiderV17

Apple has limited things they can do. The vast majority of adding a card is processes that the Payment Network and the bank control. Apple has very limited settings that it has direct control of in the process. The bank or payment network has a fixed amount of time to respond with the information your iPhone requests. If the bank or payment network doesn’t send the data, iPhone displays a message to contact your bank. If the error was on iPhones end, message is different, such as card couldn’t be added try again later.


Apple can monitor the 3 server side calls, but if the bank (payment network) doesn’t respond in the allotted time or data is incomplete and error is generated and the card is not added. Apple engineers can monitor the process, but understand the data is encrypted and Apple does not have the key.



>>When a user adds a credit, debit or pre-paid card (including store cards) to Apple Wallet, Apple securely sends the card information, along with other information about user’s account and device, to the card issuer or card issuer’s authorised service provider. Using this information, the card issuer determines whether to approve adding the card to Apple Wallet. As part of the card provisioning process, Apple Pay uses three server-side calls to send and receive communication with the card issuer or network:


  • Required Fields
  • Check Card
  • Link and Provision


The card issuer or network uses these calls to verify, approve and add cards to Apple Wallet. These client-server sessions use TLS 1.2 to transfer the data.


Full card numbers aren’t stored on the device or on Apple Pay servers. Instead, a unique Device Account Number is created, encrypted and then stored in the Secure Element. This unique Device Account Number is encrypted in such a way that Apple can’t access it. The Device Account Number is unique and different from most credit or debit card numbers; the card issuer or payment network can prevent its use on a magnetic stripe card, over the phone or on websites. The Device Account Number in the Secure Element is never stored on Apple Pay servers or backed up to iCloud, and it is isolated from iOS, iPadOS and watchOS devices, and from Mac computers with Touch ID.


Cards for use with Apple Watch are provisioned for Apple Pay using the Apple Watch app on iPhone or within a card issuer’s iPhone app. Adding a card to Apple Watch requires that the watch be within Bluetooth communications range. Cards are specifically enrolled for use with Apple Watch and have their own Device Account Numbers which are stored within the Secure Element on the Apple Watch.


When credit, debit or pre-paid cards (including store cards) are added, they appear on a list of cards during Setup Assistant on devices that are signed in to the same iCloud account. These cards remain on this list for as long as they are active on at least one device. Cards are removed from this list after they have been removed from all devices for 7 days. This feature requires two-factor authentication to be enabled on the respective iCloud account.<<


Card provisioning security overview - Apple Support (IN)


Mar 13, 2024 5:08 AM in response to XRaiderV17

Apple pointed you in the correct direction. Sounds like Payment Network (Mastercard) has a token block on the devices. Apple can’t remove tokens, only bank and payment networks.


While the issue isn’t common, it does happen. Fortunately for you the bank has pointed you in the right direction. Many bank support personnel are not properly trained in regard to Apple Pay, in my opinion.

Mar 13, 2024 3:21 PM in response to Jeff Donald

visited the bank and apparently the bank has direct control over the access tokens, and multiple resets of those tokens were undertaken. the bank systems never saw any of the attempts from my apple devices, both the bank back end support and apple support confirm their systems are working. the attempts never made it off any of my devices.


further troubleshooting via my samsung galaxy a13 and google wallet saw the attempt registered straight away, and the card was successfully added to my google wallet.


an apple senior advisor has taken ownership of my case and initiated a dialogue with the engineers.

Mar 15, 2024 3:56 AM in response to XRaiderV17

My best advice is to not play both ends against each other. It leads to confusion and contradictory advice and generally delays any full resolution of the issue. Since, you’ve made contact with Apple Support and have a case number, I’m going to suggest you stick to working with them and I’m bowing out. I will leave you with one thought, Apple Pay and Google Pay, Samsung Pay are different and don’t follow the verification procedures and processes Apple Pay uses. The fact it works on Android doesn’t establish any baseline and is irrelevant to working on iPhone with Apple Pay.

Mar 14, 2024 8:54 AM in response to Jeff Donald

I asked the apple advisor about that, they said given its multiple devices that are affected, its unlikely to make a difference.


I follow the neon genesis evangelion magi principle where tech is concerned. 1 device? it could be that device. 2 devices? skepticism sets in. 3 devices? the odds of it being simultaneous failures on all 3 are so remote I'd have a better chance with a lottery scratcher. 4 devices? the odds of it being user side are now nill.


that its 4 ios devices all showing the same exact problem..and add in the android device playing nicely, shows its not on the bank's end at all. add in the bank never saw the access attempts from any of the ios devices, and online connectivity is completely unimpeded?

Mar 14, 2024 10:19 AM in response to XRaiderV17

That’s an incorrect assumption. Android pay works differently than Apple Pay, so it’s no surprise that one may work and the other doesn’t. Your theory also lends equal credibility that because it affects all your cards, it’s a device issue. If they are all issued by the same bank, it could be a bank issue. It could just as easily be a mix of bank issue and payment network issue.

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