Rode Timecode Sync Issues - Failure to Import FCP Timeline - "Invalid Edit with no respective media"

Rode WIreless Pro. Sony A1 (on firmware before latest update Sony just rolled out a few days ago, March 28).


Rode's guide for using Timecode on the WIreless Pro to sync up audio sources connected to the Rode TX (transmitter) units can be found at this link Rode.


It basically involves involves creating a Video file in camera that has timecode signal on one channel, and merged audio (from the two TX units) on the other audio channel. Then, you import that video file into Resolve, along with the two onboard recordings from the TX units (higher quality 32 bit recordings). Then you try to sync up the video and audio files in Resolve, after which you export the timeline into FCP. That is the basic synopsis.


When I bring the timeline over into FCP, the errors I'm getting are:


  1. "Invalid edit with no respective media"
  2. Color space issue of some kind (Timeline generated in Resolve is at odds with Library/Project in FCP, for some reason.)


Of the two, Issue 1 is the big problem because the TL will not work in FCP.


More details here:


Media: Shot internal Sony A1 422 8k video 30fps (29.97) using the Wireless Pro and both transmitters. Rode RX set to 29.97 (not 29.97 frame drop), and set to Time Code Mode 1. Real Time ON.


FCP Lirary and Project: I'm trying to create a 4k Dolby 420 HLG project and timeline in Final Cut Pro. I've imported my audio files from the transmitters (onboard) plus the video files from the Sony into FCP.


Resolve Workflow:


  1. Created new project in Resolve. Set frames per second at 29.97 for project and the video files
  2. In Edit mode, imported the two video clips I took plus the 4 audio files (1 file from each transmitter for each video).
  3. Clicked on the two video files, then did the "update the time code from audio track" step.
  4. Selected all files (2 video files plus the 4 audio files) and did the "Auto Align with Time Code" step.
  5. Dragged the each of the video files into the timeline, and sure enough, the audio tracks seem to be in alignment with their respective video, as they should be.
  6. I go to Project Setting, set the data to FULL, and try to export the Timeline.
  7. I then go to FCP, into a library that has the same exact files in it, and the two errors pop up.


Troubleshooting steps:


I've tried adjusting the timecode settings to 00000 ("clip attributes") of both video files both before and after the "update the time code from audio track" no luck


I've tried adjusting the timecode settings to 00000 (using Apple Compressor) of both video files and exported them into my FCP library, and then re did the whole Resolve project and no luck.


Any help greatly appreciated. There is zero support out there for my problem. Rode told me to ask Apple!





Posted on Apr 2, 2024 3:15 AM

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Posted on Apr 9, 2024 2:48 PM

The easiest answer will cost you a little bit of money but will save you all kinds of heartache and time.


Tentacle Sync Studio 149($EU)

https://tentaclesync.com/sync-studio


This software will synchronize any video file that has timecode on an audio track and generate Multicam clips and synchronized clips into an FCP xml. So fast, so easy, works all the time. No rendering or converting.


I recommend anyone shooting with Alpha or FX3 and editing in FCP should have this program. Really, anyone shooting Multicam and/or external audio as well. It just synchronizes everything perfectly. I've done projects with multiple iPhones, DJI Osmos, FX3, FX6, FX9, A7R, Insta360, MixPre all at once and synchronized with UltraSync ones. Drag and drop all the footage from everything into Tentacle Sync Studio, hit export XML, import into FCP, and I have Multicam clips that I can easily cut to using FCPs amazing Multicam editor. Couldn't be any easier.


With updates to FX and Alpha cameras as well as DJI, we now have timecode in and the audio channels are free to be themselves. Either way. TSS can handle it all.


So as long as your frame rates are the same, you should be good to go. Not sure how good the TC generator is on the Rodes. You might experience drift. That's the worst case scenario.

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Apr 9, 2024 2:48 PM in response to E lop

The easiest answer will cost you a little bit of money but will save you all kinds of heartache and time.


Tentacle Sync Studio 149($EU)

https://tentaclesync.com/sync-studio


This software will synchronize any video file that has timecode on an audio track and generate Multicam clips and synchronized clips into an FCP xml. So fast, so easy, works all the time. No rendering or converting.


I recommend anyone shooting with Alpha or FX3 and editing in FCP should have this program. Really, anyone shooting Multicam and/or external audio as well. It just synchronizes everything perfectly. I've done projects with multiple iPhones, DJI Osmos, FX3, FX6, FX9, A7R, Insta360, MixPre all at once and synchronized with UltraSync ones. Drag and drop all the footage from everything into Tentacle Sync Studio, hit export XML, import into FCP, and I have Multicam clips that I can easily cut to using FCPs amazing Multicam editor. Couldn't be any easier.


With updates to FX and Alpha cameras as well as DJI, we now have timecode in and the audio channels are free to be themselves. Either way. TSS can handle it all.


So as long as your frame rates are the same, you should be good to go. Not sure how good the TC generator is on the Rodes. You might experience drift. That's the worst case scenario.

Apr 3, 2024 5:20 AM in response to E lop

When you export from Resolve to an FCP destination, the UI looks like the attached image. It transcodes each clip as a separate file and also generates an FCPXML file for import to FCP. You do not export a contiguous single-file timeline for import to FCP, nor do you export only an XML to relink to the original files in FCP.


To inspect if clips exported from Resolve have timecode, import several of them back to Resolve as a test. See attached image. If the exported clips do not have readable timecode, it will not be readable in FCP either. In that case it's a Resolve or Rode configuration problem, and you can pursue it with those vendors.


If the exported clips show proper timecode after reimporting them back to Resolve, and if they do not show timecode when exported to FCP, there could be other factors causing that. If so, please report the specifics after following the above steps.

Apr 4, 2024 5:20 AM in response to joema

Hey Joe, wanted to ask quick question. It's possible that my Sony A1 now has FX3/FX30 like functionality built in where camera can reccord timecode metadata directly to video files. See this link, Method 2: https://rode.com/en-us/about/news-info/using-timecode-on-the-sony-fx3-and-fx30-with-wireless-pro


In a situation like that with the FX30, this workflow may be entirely unnecessary, as FCP should be able to sync the video file with the standalone audio files from the Rode Transmitters


https://edge.rode.com/pdf/page/2218/modules/9192/Wireless%20PRO_Timecode%20Guide_FINAL%20CUT%20PRO%2010-6-8_FA%20.pdf


"If instead you’ve shot with a camera that has embedded timecode into your video files, follow these steps:

• Import your video and audio files to your Final Cut Pro media pool

• Select them all, right-click and choose “Synchronize Clips”

• Click “User Custom Settings” and select “Timecode” under the

“Synchronization” menu

• Adjust your resolution, framerate and any other settings and click “OK”

• Double-click the newly created synchronized clip to add it to your timeline



Apr 4, 2024 6:19 AM in response to E lop

Timecode sync on the Sony A1 and A7SIII are supported on the latest camera firmware. Like the FX3, that requires an external Sony VMC-BNCM1 BNC-to-micro USB adapter (for timecode devices using BNC output) or a Micro-USB Timecode to Right Angle 3.5mm TRS Cable (for timecode devices using 3.5mm output -- see Amazon). There are also BNC-to-3.5mm timecode adapter cables.


I believe that is recorded on the A1, A7SIII and FX3 as embedded "file" timecode, not audio LTC timecode.


The Sony mirrorless cameras since the A7SIII actually support embedded "file" timecode without the firmware update, but the only way to initialize the timecode clock is using this procedure:


  • Set TC mode to free-run TC. That's in Menu>Shooting Menu>TC/UB>Time Code Run>Free Run.


  • Set LCD display to display free-run TC. That is in Menu>Setup Menu>Finder/Monitor>TC/UB Disp. Setting>TC. This lets you observe the TC counting and verify it's as expected. I think those menus are the same on the A1, but you'll have to check.


  • To manually sync A7SIII/FX30/A1 TC to another camera or TC clock, while examining the TC counting on the other device, enter a TC value about 30 sec in advance on the A7SIII: Menu>Shooting Menu>TC/UB>Time Code Preset. When the other camera reaches that number, press the OK soft button on the camera. Examine the free-run TC counting on both cameras to verify they are within < 1/2 sec. With a little practice, you get it pretty close.


With the firmware update and above adapter cable, you can use an external timecode device such as Tentacle Sync (or maybe Rode Wireless Pro) to sync the camera TC. That is embedded "file" timecode recorded as metadata, not audio LTC timecode recorded on an audio track.


However -- embedded "file" timecode recorded as Sony MP4 files will not be readable by FCP due to lack of standardization in the MP4 specification about how timecode is stored. To enable FCP to read that timecode requires preprocessing the files with the third-party tool QTChange. You can Google that. This does not transcode the files or alter the video data, so it's very fast.


The moment files are imported to FCP you can immediately check if they contain valid timecode by just passing the skimmer over the files in the Event Browser. If it exists it will show up as non-zero-based clip timecode.


The limitations of the MP4 container format is a key reason why my team mainly uses Sony FX6 cameras, which records using the professional MXF container format. The FX6 and similar cameras also use standardized BNC timecode connectors, so that avoids having special adapters.

Apr 2, 2024 5:50 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Thanks for reading my post.


That guide is confusing. For cameras that don't support Timecode (like the A1), you need to record Timecode as an audio track, which is what I've done. And for those situations, you need to go into Resolve, etc, as described above and in the guide.


In Step 1 they say which way to go depending on what camera type you are using

Apr 2, 2024 11:58 AM in response to Luis Sequeira1

Hey Luis, yeah I've tried syncing the audio "automatically" (using the wave forms of the two standalone tracks and the the audio imbedded in the video itself) but no luck there. For this particular project, I'm just manually lining up all the tracks - eyeballing, adjusting, nudging, etc. But for the future, I'd obviously like to be able to take advantage of the Rode's timecode using their suggested workflow.


I've noticed one or two other people have had this problem out there - ive tried piggy backing their solutions to no avail.


See this thread: DaVinci Resolve to FCPX using XML: I keep… - Apple Community


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