Apple Keychain and iCloud Keychain - need strategy

Hello everyone,


Life long Mac and iOS user who has been happily dependent on Keychain - and equally passionate about NOT using iCloud Keychain. That said, 98% of my passwords have zero reason to be stored on iCloud, and intentionally do NOT want passwords sync'd between devices.


WORKAROUND

[Enter stage left] Next we have HomeKit, and in order to use Home app you are FORCED to turn on iCloud Keychain and you ZERO CHOICE what passwords are or are not stored/synced w/iCloud. This created a huge problem and the only way around this problem was to create TWO Apple ID's, one dedicated to the home network and the other the day-to-day normal Apple ID. I would then share my home w/myself (from Apple ID Network to Apple ID Personal.) This allowed me to access my HomeKit devices without being forced to sync or store sensitive passwords online. [Exit stage right]


NEW PROBLEM

[Enter stage left] The above solution, while at the cost of some convenience and features, worked well for years. This HomeKit on my phone suddenly stopped working...stuck on 'Loading Scenes and Accessories' type card. HomeKit works fine on the primary HomeKit device. Fair amount of trouble shooting, signing in/out, deleting reinstalling etc etc. iCloud > Home is enabled, while iCloud > Keychain remains disabled. Confident the issue is the fact that iCloud Keychain remains disabled. Toggling this on comes at the cost of ALL passwords syncing to other devices and being stored in iCloud.


NEED

Interested in a discussion around strategies that allow me to return to using Home app from the phone that does NOT require 1) turning on iCloud Keychain, 2) subscription solutions, 3) ideally not require use of any third party software. The developer has always branded itself as customer choice and privacy, and yet all these years later zero are reflected in how Home app is managed, force feeding an all-or-nothing service of sharing all passwords to use Home app. Yes, this feedback has already been shared w/the developer so no need to remind anyone. Request we keep the discussion focused on alternatives and workarounds, with intention to avoid discussions challenging the preference of keeping passwords out of iCloud or merits of Apple encryption.


Hopefully there are misconceptions on my part and I expect there are others here who have similar perspectives and/or have found work arounds.


Thank you everyone!




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Posted on May 11, 2024 7:19 AM

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May 11, 2024 9:28 AM in response to PixelRogue1

It's difficult to have any meaningful discussion without (a) understanding the fundamental issue that causes you to avoid synchronising your devices Keychain via iCloud - and (b) considering how iCloud protects your credentials.


I presume that, ideally, you would prefer to use the same AppleID for all devices. For the purpose of constructive dialogue, it may be worthwhile to point out that while credentials may be synchronised between trusted devices via iCloud, the Keychain is end-to-end encrypted. Synchronised credentials are only available to trusted devices that are signed-in to iCloud with the same AppleID.


If you can provide more information about what you need to accomplish and why - as opposed to presumed distrust of iCloud - contributors may be better able to offer appropriate advice.

May 11, 2024 11:44 AM in response to LotusPilot

Personal preference. Do not want passwords sync'd between trusted devices. Do not want majority of passwords ever stored in iCloud. This isn't meant to be a debate or education on how iCloud protects credentials, trusted devices etc. Passwords being sync'd to trusted devices or stored/shared/communicated in any way is a non-starter. This isn't about trust/distrust, it is about choice - choice to keep passwords local to a device and use Home app.


OBJECTIVE

Strategies and workarounds that will support accessing a rather robust IoT HomeKit enabled network from my phone w/o personal sensitive passwords ever being stored/shared/communicated. OK sharing IoT credential essentials, nothing more. Brokerages, banks, social media, etc. etc. has no convenience, value or meaning being shared/synced online. Plain and simple.

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