Mac Messages Splitting Named Group Chat Into Unnamed But Same Group

A group chat in Mac Messages on my Macbook Pro is suddenly splitting incoming messages between the named group, and a newly created group with the same members, but without the group name.


This is only on the laptop - on my iPhone, everything files correctly under the named group. On the laptop, it's seemingly random in how it routes new chats to this unnamed group it auto-created.


It may be a bug with Sonoma 14.6.1 as I can't remember this occurring before the update.


Anyone else experiencing similar, or know how to solve?

Any help would be appreciated! Thanks.


MacBook Pro 16″, macOS 14.6

Posted on Aug 18, 2024 5:35 PM

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Posted on Sep 4, 2024 10:03 AM

I wrote a blog post with a complete description of the details and what I learned from Apple Tech Support. I'll spare you the link to my blog (unless you want to see a bunch of meaningless posts on Baldur's Gate 3) and just post the conclusion here.


Solving the split conversations on the iPhone


For this one, I managed to find a solution on my own.


I like to have a history of my text conversations in sync on all my devices. I use iCloud for this. I have this option checked in Messages -> Settings -> iMessage.


The conversations were not split on my iPhone until I clicked the “Sync Now” button.


It’s reasonable to conclude that when I forced a sync of the split conversations to iCloud, I also forced iCloud to transmit the split to my iPhone.


I found the solution in one of the forum web pages that described the problem: Turn the iPhone completely off, then turn it on again. After that, the conversations merged again on the iPhone.


What I learned from Apple tech support


I spent four hours on the phone with Apple tech support to document the issue, speaking with different representatives. The last Case Support person created a full report (including screen shots and video captures) of the problem to send to the Apple Engineers. They got back to me a few days later (because I told them there was no rush).


Important: I am not an Apple representative. The odds that I misunderstood what the Apple Support Case person said to me, which in turn came from Apple’s Engineers, are probably 100%. With that understood:


The answer from Apple is “behaving as expected”.


Of course, I found that answer annoying. Here’s my understanding of why it’s expected.


There are three different communications protocols at play here:


  • iMessage – This is the protocol used when all participants in a conversation are using iPhones. With iMessage, both texts and images are transmitted as part of the same conversation.
  • SMS – This is the protocol used when there’s at least one Android user in the conversation, and all the messages are text-only.
  • MMS – This is the protocol used when an Android user includes an image in the conversation.


I’m a bit fuzzy on this part: I think what used to happen is that when an Android user included an image in a conversation, the conversation would automatically be converted from SMS to MMS. I’m not sure who did the converting: the carriers or Apple. I’m also not sure where the conversion took place: at the carrier, within the iPhone, or within Mac Messages (I forgot to ask).


According to Apple, the carriers made a change to how they handled their “mixed” conversations. Apple had to follow suit, and did so with Sonoma 14.6.1. If they had not, some users would have their messages fail to be seen in conversations with mixed iPhone and Android users.


Now, if an Android user sends an image to an SMS conversation, instead of a conversation “upgrade” a new MMS conversation is created. That new conversation includes the Messages user.


I asked the obvious question: Will this ever be fixed? The response was that, in the past, Apple engineers have worked with the carriers when both have received enough complaints on an issue from the users.


So there we have it. Right now, we’ll have to live with it. If you want to do something about it, contact your carrier.

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38 replies

Sep 1, 2024 4:11 PM in response to JLSELWYN

Agree that this only happens with messages to multiple people where at least one has an Android. Spent an hour in the Apple store today with their "genius". He said it's an iCloud issue. Said support had to handle it. Contacted support (another hour), and they said their "Senior Department" has to handle it. The Senior Department told me it's a Verizon issue. I am skeptical, since it happens on an iphone (Verizon), ipad (AT&T), and two Macs.

Sep 3, 2024 5:13 PM in response to JLSELWYN

Same issue with me too. Idk if its because my phone is on 16.2 What's really funny is that if I make the mistake of sending the message to the unnamed group chat, the unnamed group chat suddenly appears on my phone with only my message. and best of all, when that happens, it sends the message to each gc member INDIVIDUALLY. and its pretty hard to explain that to 10 different people. so. a fix would be appreciated......

Sep 5, 2024 9:44 AM in response to wgseligman

Typical support answer. Blame the other guy, wash hands of problem. This coincided 100% with upgrading to 14.6.1. Some of the behavior I've posted in this thread is in Apple's court to fix (i.e. my name being in one of the split chats and not the other as well as the (null) identifier I see in notifications as to who sent the most recent message. They have something to fix. Group chats are part of our lives and this needs to be resolved.

Oct 6, 2024 9:36 AM in response to JLSELWYN

Updated to Mac OS 15.0 Sequoia, and the issue persists. Same as others here, if I receive an SMS from an Android user, Messages creates a thread with that person—and showing myself as an additional recipient—that's separate from the main thread I have with that contact.


Everything is still synced properly in the single contact thread in iOS iMessage; this only affects Mac OS Messages.

Sep 2, 2024 12:26 PM in response to JLSELWYN

Thanks for posting and thanks to those who are calling to see if it can get fixed. I just downloaded Sonoma and am experiencing the exact same situation with my name included in the top bubble of some of the newly split group text chains and not others. Glad to find this site that confirms this is not unique to me and hoping that it can be solved.

Nov 1, 2024 3:01 PM in response to JLSELWYN

I updated my system to 15.1 and still have desktop text issues for groups. I asked my peeps on a group if they had iPhones or Androids. It was a mix. Weird thing is that it split the response back to me and only the 3 that responded were on the thread. Two had iPhones and one had an Android. So, what it did is drop off the person that didn't reply to my question. Weird.

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