Thieves opened iPhone - twice

My son had his iPhone 13 stolen, not once, but twice. First time in Washington DC in June and then in August in London, both times pickpocketed outside a bar at night. In both cases, the phone was locked when stolen but the thieves were able to open it, and once they had the phone open, with access to his email and various finance apps (Venmo, cash app, brokerage all tied to his bank account) it was game on for them to access all his cash (open the app, click lost password, then use password reset links sent to the phone/email). I've hunted around the web to try to determine how the thieves access the phone and everything I find (including on this forum) say that if the phone is locked then thieves cannot access it. But that is not true. We've heard speculation that thieves may observe people entering their passcodes and then they steal those phones, but that seems a stretch. I would love some more intel on how this may be happening. (and yes, there has been a whole separate conversation with my offspring about phone security and bars!)

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Posted on Aug 28, 2024 8:07 AM

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Aug 28, 2024 3:12 PM in response to delanson

In both cases, the phone was locked when stolen


There is no way that anyone could guess the correct passcode in the 10 tries that are allowed before the phone locks out completely.


If you are thinking that the thieves had some kind of special software to bypass the passcode lock on the phone....that is not the case. This type of software simply does not exist.


But, I suppose it is possible that someone was looking over your son's shoulder when he entered his passcode. Thieves call this "shoulder surfing".


Unfortunately, this is sounding more like your son received a scam message from the thieves.....(posing as Apple or Apple Support) requesting personal information so his identity could be verified and the phone returned to him. When the information is provided, this in effect gives the keys to the kingdom to the thieves.


Apple does not get involved with lost or stolen phones, so you know that any message from "Apple" is a scam.


The bottom line......NEVER.....respond to a message that is asking for personal information.

Aug 28, 2024 2:28 PM in response to AKRBTN

Once they have the phone open, you go down a rabbit hole. They changed his passwords which they could do because they had his phone which has his gmail account open and which also enables them to use multifactor authentication. So he could not get emails since they "locked him out" of his gmail and he couldnt get texts because they had his phone. Once it was clear we couldnt locate the device using Find My, we deactivated the phone but the only way he could re-access those accounts was by going through Apple's account recovery process which takes over a week.

Aug 28, 2024 2:38 PM in response to delanson

If the phone was locked, there is no way that someone could access it. Some people have a bad habit of just putting their phone in their back pocket without locking it and for a short amount of time before it auto locks, a thief would be able to access the information on the phone if they pulled it out of your pocket. Locking it is easily done just by pressing the side button.


In other cases a person may provide their phone number when it is marked as lost and a thief will send them a message claiming to be from Apple requiring their credentials. The thief will then be able to unlock the phone and remove it from Find My.

Aug 28, 2024 3:24 PM in response to delanson

I believe you get 10 (?) tries at entering the correct passcode before the phone locks up, and the only way back in is a reset + erase.


With a randomly chosen, six digit passcode, odds are 999,990 out of 1,000,000 that the thieves are locked out of seeing your data. Assuming that the phone was locked when stolen and that the thieves did not know - or trick / force you into revealing the credentials.


(And that your Apple ID password is secure.)

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