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Hi, maybe you can help me navigate Apple Care because I'm confused or maybe I have a different set of expectations about Apple Care that are unrealistic.


My Mac Studio Ultra started randomly disconnecting my USB drives so first I did the chat w/ apple support and they instructed me what to do. Didn't fix it. I called back and we did some other stuff. That also didn't work, OK I get it. So then they said I MUST take the computer to an Apple Store to get fixed. Kinda of a prob since it's a few HOURS to dive there. So I did. Apple Store couldn't fix it and told me I had to call apple again.


They didn't even look at the system log there because they said no one is qualified to fix my computer at an Apple Store. In addition to paying for 4 years of apple care I apparently need to give Apple 14 hours of my time plus a 4 hour car trip only to have to call apple support again??? This is NOT the way Apple Care used to work, now it seems worthless. Is there a code word I need to say the first time I call?

Mac Studio, macOS 14.6

Posted on Sep 17, 2024 12:57 PM

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Posted on Sep 17, 2024 2:20 PM

It can be really difficult to deal with any support organization of any product.


If you did not INSIST the First Responder [NOT trained to read panic reports] escalate your issue to additional Specialists to read your panic reports and determine the cause, or insist they file a Formal Bug Report on your behalf for a software issue, you have now determined experimentally:


Just how much time can be spent working with Apple Support without getting REAL resolution of your issue.


If you do NOT have panic reports, your best bet BY FAR is to start a discussion right here and ask other users for things to consider. No one anywhere is going to wade into your logs looking for a solution to a problem that happens sporadically without an immediate way to reproduce the problem.


ONLY If you have enough evidence to proceed, in panic reports or reproducible on demand symptoms, consider calling them back, noting all your previous work toward a solution (which they can look up), including your unproductive Genius Bar visit. Be polite and professional, but keep your eyes on what needs to be accomplished. You may need to be a little more assertive on your own behalf.


If your problem is not solved, do not release the person you are dealing with unless/until they give you an escalation/referral, or tangible plan for actual resolution.


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Genius Bar:

When you present your computer at the Genius Bar with the expectation of a quote to repair it, you must generally meet these criteria:


• your Mac won't do anything

• your Mac fails diagnostics

• your Mac has a problem you can repeatably demonstrate on demand

one other oddball case:

• Apple online support has DIRECTED a Service Provider to replace specific components inside your Mac, such as the mainboard or display. Bring proof, such as case number.


They CAN run their diagnostics, which are a bit more comprehensive that the User diagnostics. In the very small amount of time they are run, “No faults detected” still does not mean “All is Well” but at least there are no detected GROSS problems. 


ANY other visit to the genius bar can be an exercise in futility, because technicians are not trained to read panic reports. If your issue is only illustrated in panic reports, you need an Apple Support Specialist to read your reports, determine what is causing the Hardware problem, and DIRECT a Service Provider what they should change.


EDITed for clarity, be sure to re-read.

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Sep 17, 2024 2:20 PM in response to EFXAD

It can be really difficult to deal with any support organization of any product.


If you did not INSIST the First Responder [NOT trained to read panic reports] escalate your issue to additional Specialists to read your panic reports and determine the cause, or insist they file a Formal Bug Report on your behalf for a software issue, you have now determined experimentally:


Just how much time can be spent working with Apple Support without getting REAL resolution of your issue.


If you do NOT have panic reports, your best bet BY FAR is to start a discussion right here and ask other users for things to consider. No one anywhere is going to wade into your logs looking for a solution to a problem that happens sporadically without an immediate way to reproduce the problem.


ONLY If you have enough evidence to proceed, in panic reports or reproducible on demand symptoms, consider calling them back, noting all your previous work toward a solution (which they can look up), including your unproductive Genius Bar visit. Be polite and professional, but keep your eyes on what needs to be accomplished. You may need to be a little more assertive on your own behalf.


If your problem is not solved, do not release the person you are dealing with unless/until they give you an escalation/referral, or tangible plan for actual resolution.


------

Genius Bar:

When you present your computer at the Genius Bar with the expectation of a quote to repair it, you must generally meet these criteria:


• your Mac won't do anything

• your Mac fails diagnostics

• your Mac has a problem you can repeatably demonstrate on demand

one other oddball case:

• Apple online support has DIRECTED a Service Provider to replace specific components inside your Mac, such as the mainboard or display. Bring proof, such as case number.


They CAN run their diagnostics, which are a bit more comprehensive that the User diagnostics. In the very small amount of time they are run, “No faults detected” still does not mean “All is Well” but at least there are no detected GROSS problems. 


ANY other visit to the genius bar can be an exercise in futility, because technicians are not trained to read panic reports. If your issue is only illustrated in panic reports, you need an Apple Support Specialist to read your reports, determine what is causing the Hardware problem, and DIRECT a Service Provider what they should change.


EDITed for clarity, be sure to re-read.

Sep 17, 2024 1:59 PM in response to EFXAD

The "code words" are to ask front line Support Person to put on a Supervisor or Senior Tech.


External drives can randomly disconnect for several reasons.

1) There are too many external drives drawing too much power.

2) One of the external drives has a bad USB cable or bad enclosure.

3) The use of Computer Sleep can cause some external drives to disconnect.


In the mean time, if you would like to pursue help from other users here in the ASC forum.

Download and run the free version of EtreCheckPro, from > https://etrecheck.com/en/index.html

Then post the Report, as per > How to use the Add Text Feature When Post… - Apple Community

Sep 17, 2024 5:08 PM in response to EFXAD

Thanks for the responses! I gave up on apple care, I need my computer for work and don’t have time for the Apple runaround. I find it funny that I used chat GTP to figure out what was wrong in less time than waiting for an apple person to connect to a support chat. There was a process running in the background even tho I uninstalled the app was still loading at startup. Apple taught me that Apple care is not worth the price now, it used to actually work.

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