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perhaps an easy question, but I am confused

Dear all,


Sorry if this question sounds silly, but I am a little confused.


So recently I have stopped buying physical media and I often find good deals on films on Apple TV to purchase, ( not rent ) but to buy.


Anyway many people tell me if you buy a film on apple TV or other digital platforms, you never really own them. Just simply a license, which I understand.


But I then found out that it is possible to download the films which you have purchased and it will save in the persons MAC drive as a MOVPKG file. ( Apparently this is not possible with other digital platforms )


Anyway, later I have then moved the files to an external SSD, but I then realised I have no idea what a MOVPKG file is..so I did some research and found out that its a locked file which can only be played on an Apple device only. Iphone, apple TV box, mac ect...


So I have a question,


I was thinking of buying an Apple TV BOX, ( My amazon fire TV stick is super old and slow )


I am guessing it is better to buy the 128GB one, which means I can download and store my purchased films there, right?


But what happens if Apple ever did go bankrupt? that would mean I would never be able to watch those films again right?


I wondered if someone could explain to me a little more about this file type and is it a good investment for me to purchase these films?


I also heard that if you do not download them or back them up..sometimes Apple removes a film from their server and it is not possible to find them or play them again.


Thank you for any help you can provide to me.


Best regards,




MacBook Air, macOS 15.1

Posted on Nov 12, 2024 3:01 PM

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Nov 12, 2024 4:36 PM in response to jkrobs

Anyway many people tell me if you buy a film on apple TV or other digital platforms, you never really own them. Just simply a license, which I understand.

That largely goes for physical media too. You would own the carrier (disc) but not the content. You can’t play it in public without an additional license. You can’t charge people for watching it at your place. You can’t legally alter any of the content, which you could if you were the owner. The rights holder (distributor studio) can still revoke unwanted/​unlicensed use.


Anyway, later I have then moved the files to an external SSD, but I then realized I have no idea what a MOVPKG file is..so I did some research and found out that its a locked file which can only be played on an Apple device only. iPhone, apple TV box, mac etc...

Not only that, it is locked to the Apple Account with which it was purchased.


I was thinking of buying an Apple TV BOX,
I am guessing it is better to buy the 128GB one, which means I can download and store my purchased films there, right?

The storage on the box is used for system software, apps, settings, cache files — but not content. All content will be streamed through the home network (from a local computer or from a remote server).


But what happens if Apple ever did go bankrupt? that would mean I would never be able to watch those films again right?

First off, Apple seems to be a healthy company with no signs of going away.

Playback of purchased movies will need to be authorized for the Apple Account. That means that a business must be active to do that authorization part. Similar for any streaming reseller. In case of bankruptcy, another company might take over clients and honor past purchases a.m.a.p. in some way or form, as there is value in that.


I wondered if someone could explain to me a little more about this file type

Before Apple started using .movpkg (HLS), they used .m4v (an .mp4 variant). So the actual format doesn’t matter, but the purchase will be locked (DRM) in all cases.

You can download purchased media to each of your Apple devices, but not transfer between devices, if that makes sense. Each device that you want to have a local copy for, should do its own download. AirPlay would still allow for local streaming to an Apple TV box.

.movpkg as Apple uses it, is technically a “bundle”, a folder disguised as a file, which contains hundreds of fragments of the content.


and is it a good investment for me to purchase these films?

User comments here shouldn’t be seen as investment advice. Digital movie purchases are consumer goods, in that there is no resale value for you as buyer. Purchases are yours ‘forever‘.

If you think that loss of internet connectivity in the near future is likely, then physical media has an advantage there.

If you think that the reseller might go out of business in the near future, then physical media has an advantage there.

Physical media has limited production runs, and may be out of print. Some titles might be available on the second hand market only. Availability is less stable than streaming.

If you think that rights holder might withdraw a title from the Store, then online streaming may no longer be possible (but previous downloads would still be playable). That wouldn’t happen with physical media.

If you like convenience (including startup speed), then streaming purchases are much, much better.

Personally, I buy streaming titles, but also keep my movie discs. And I still buy discs for S-tier movies (Dune, etc.).


I also heard that if you do not download them or back them up..sometimes Apple removes a film from their server and it is not possible to find them or play them again.

Rights holders (usually studios; i.e. not Apple) may choose to not sell a title anymore. More likely, former rights holders (takeover or bankruptcy) may have a need to sell their assets to a different company, which would disrupt the reselling on streaming. Such disruption may be temporary or permanent.

If that happens, then that would affect users that want to stream content directly from Apple’s servers. Apple’s authentication servers would still allow users to play their already downloaded media. So it depends if you made a local download or not.

Nov 12, 2024 11:20 PM in response to jkrobs

So if I buy an apple tv box, I cannot store the downloaded films on the tv box, I would need to air play or stream the movies from my mac air M2 to the tv box. correct?

I think most users just stream from Apple’s servers directly, no download involved. But that is just an impression; I do not have the statistics to show it. Downloads max out at 1080p HD, while streaming without download supports 4K — so there is a quality aspect to direct streaming from Apples servers as well.

For backup purposes, you can do a download, then remove the link to that file from the Library. Then you have it when needed, but not regularly using that file for playback.


So if my mac ever broke and I did not have mac, then the only way to watch those purchased films would be via the apple servers on the tv box, right?

If your local downloads are not available, not even rescuable, then you can still stream directly over the internet, and optionally choose to re-download on a replacement computer and/or mobile device.


firstly, based on your help maybe I am better off buying the 64gb apple tv.
I do not really play apple arcade, so there is no reason to have so much memory, like 128gb, I do not need ethernet either.

If you have no need for Ethernet network connectivity, and no need for Thread networking support (HomeKit smart accessories that may use that protocol), and no need for extra large storage, then the Wi-Fi-only model seems right for you. 👍


Sorry what is a streaming title? you mean Netflix subscription?

I guess I could have been more articulate. I meant “streaming title” here as a movie title available on one of the online streaming content providers that sell movies, differentiating from physical media. Buying from Apple’s iTunes Store (or one of the competitors with somewhat similar services).

Buy movies and TV shows from the Apple TV app - Apple Support (not device specific)

Rent movies from the Apple TV app - Apple Support (not device specific)

Buy or rent movies and TV shows in the Apple TV app - Apple Support (Apple TV box specific)

Netflix doesn’t support buying titles, just the monthly fees to access the service, for which the catalog will change regularly. Instead, I was still referring to buying movies to keep (indefinitely).

Nov 12, 2024 8:26 PM in response to Urquhart1244

Thank you, I understand a little more.


So if I buy an apple tv box, I cannot store the downloaded films on the tv box, I would need to air play or stream the movies from my mac air M2 to the tv box. correct?


So if my mac ever broke and I did not have mac, then the only way to watch those purchased films would be via the apple servers on the tv box, right?


firstly, based on your help maybe I am better off buying the 64gb apple tv.


I do not really play apple arcade, so there is no reason to have so much memory, like 128gb, I do not need ethernet either.


and those files which I have backed up onto my SSD, those files can only ever be played on an apple device which is connected to that username. I understand that part well.


Sorry what is a streaming title? you mean Netflix subscription?

perhaps an easy question, but I am confused

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