2FA making Apple Mail unusable

Two Factor Authentication. The only thing keeping my crew from using Apple Mail full time is the ridiculous Apple policy of refusing to allow users to turn of Two Factor Authentication. It takes up to a minute each time we want to access our email. We are adults who know how to not be taken advantage of. Why are the 90% of users that do not need handholding, subject to bad policies like this.

We will try deleting accounts and opening a new account to refuse 2FA "within the first two weeks". If that doesn't work, we will double down on the other service we are using. One less thing tying us to IOS' oppressive policies.

Icloud.com on work computers. Cookies are deleted upon closing the browser as responsible browsing requires.

Posted on Dec 19, 2024 8:16 AM

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Posted on Dec 19, 2024 8:20 AM

pwhenderson wrote:

Two Factor Authentication. The only thing keeping my crew from using Apple Mail full time is the ridiculous Apple policy of refusing to allow users to turn of Two Factor Authentication. It takes up to a minute each time we want to access our email. We are adults who know how to not be taken advantage of. Why are the 90% of users that do not need handholding, subject to bad policies like this.
We will try deleting accounts and opening a new account to refuse 2FA "within the first two weeks". If that doesn't work, we will double down on the other service we are using. One less thing tying us to IOS' oppressive policies.

It's not clear to me why you need to use 2FA to access your email. On Apple devices, you rarely need to use 2FA once you've signed in. The notable exception is logging into iCloud.com. If you haven't logged in for a while or you cleared cookies or you're using a new computer or browser, you'll need to authenticate. But, if you're using a Mac, why not just use the included Mail app? You won't need to authenticate.


Either something is wrong with your setup or you're leaving out some important details.



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Dec 19, 2024 8:20 AM in response to pwhenderson

pwhenderson wrote:

Two Factor Authentication. The only thing keeping my crew from using Apple Mail full time is the ridiculous Apple policy of refusing to allow users to turn of Two Factor Authentication. It takes up to a minute each time we want to access our email. We are adults who know how to not be taken advantage of. Why are the 90% of users that do not need handholding, subject to bad policies like this.
We will try deleting accounts and opening a new account to refuse 2FA "within the first two weeks". If that doesn't work, we will double down on the other service we are using. One less thing tying us to IOS' oppressive policies.

It's not clear to me why you need to use 2FA to access your email. On Apple devices, you rarely need to use 2FA once you've signed in. The notable exception is logging into iCloud.com. If you haven't logged in for a while or you cleared cookies or you're using a new computer or browser, you'll need to authenticate. But, if you're using a Mac, why not just use the included Mail app? You won't need to authenticate.


Either something is wrong with your setup or you're leaving out some important details.



Dec 19, 2024 9:14 AM in response to pwhenderson

pwhenderson wrote:

Very good, iCloud on a work browser, cookies deleted each session. Because we are responsible. You didn't answer why Apple has this ridiculous policy or if they intend to make Mail usable for more responsible people.

While I assume that Apple is concerned with protecting the data that are responsible for (and they are responsible for it if you store it on their servers), I don't know if that's the only reason. You'd need to discuss the matter with Apple, but they don't participate in this user-to-user forum.


You can let them know your thoughts here:


Product Feedback - Apple


Dec 19, 2024 9:16 AM in response to pwhenderson

pwhenderson wrote:

Odd that I cannot edit/update my post or responses, to correct a spelling error.

You have 15 minutes to edit a post after you publish it. After than, you cannot.


We do keep the iCloud app running on our work machines. Even logged into iCloud app, we are subject to 2FA to get access to email. A 3rd login is required, same user, to access this Community. Who codes like this?

"iCloud" is not an app; it's a website. If you clear cookies, you'll need to log in again.


If this is such a big problem, why not use an actual email app? You don't need to use icloud.com to get your email.

Dec 19, 2024 8:56 AM in response to pwhenderson

Odd that I cannot edit/update my post or responses, to correct a spelling error. An example of another oppressive Apple policy.

We do keep the iCloud app running on our work machines. Even logged into iCloud app, we are subject to 2FA to get access to email. A 3rd login is required, same user, to access this Community. Who codes like this?

So we all understand Apple policy:

-With iCloud app running and logged in ...

-Open browser, goto iCloud.com.

-Click sign in.

-Put in email/number.

-

Dec 21, 2024 8:20 AM in response to pwhenderson

You mentioned -

We will try deleting accounts and opening a new account to refuse 2FA "within the first two weeks".


Why would account be erased from the server , in case if necessary do it , if you open a new Apple ID account it will be active as secondary authentication account ( in which three answers for respective questions , date of birth , rescue mail address is added ) , its the choice of the account holder to activate as 2FA , after two weeks the account is permanent , suppose you revert the account before two weeks its unstable account .

Using a Mac cookies are not deleted by its own if you shut down Mac , even you enable private browsing permanently , the account has to be signed in again using credentials .

It has nothing to do with cookies , applicable for secondary authentication account , 2FA accounts .




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