Several mac computers have started randomly crashing in the same timeframe

Within the past several days, my iMac and my Macbook have both started randomly crashing at unexpected times.


They're two different machines, different model years, different versions of the OS installed. It seems unlikely to be a coincidence that they both suddenly have the same problem after running normally for years, which has me considering what they both have in common: Perhaps the problem's caused by some software I have installed on both of them, like the Creative Cloud? They're also both connected to the same home wifi, and I use the same Bluetooth headphones on either machine.


I'll paste an example crash log, perhaps someone who knows how to read those can provide more insight into the cause of the problem. Both machines log what appear to be similar errors.



MacBook Pro 15″

Posted on Feb 14, 2025 9:29 PM

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Posted on Feb 15, 2025 9:31 AM

Uncruzimatic wrote:

<Etrecheck report macbook.log>
OK, thank you. Here's the Etrecheck report for the macbook. I'll generate one for the imac soon.

There are several issues here.

Most important is that this machine is critically low on disk space. That need immediate attention.

I'm also seeing several things that could be causing serious problems, including remnants of Sophos, and multiple VPN clients.

If you're using a VPN to access the Internet, get rid of it.

The only legitimate use for a VPN is to access resources on a secure private network such as your employer or school. VPNs do nothing to protect your privacy or secure your data when accessing resources on the Internet.


As it seems the root of the crashes may be network related, the VPN clients may well be at fault.

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Feb 15, 2025 9:31 AM in response to Uncruzimatic

Uncruzimatic wrote:

<Etrecheck report macbook.log>
OK, thank you. Here's the Etrecheck report for the macbook. I'll generate one for the imac soon.

There are several issues here.

Most important is that this machine is critically low on disk space. That need immediate attention.

I'm also seeing several things that could be causing serious problems, including remnants of Sophos, and multiple VPN clients.

If you're using a VPN to access the Internet, get rid of it.

The only legitimate use for a VPN is to access resources on a secure private network such as your employer or school. VPNs do nothing to protect your privacy or secure your data when accessing resources on the Internet.


As it seems the root of the crashes may be network related, the VPN clients may well be at fault.

Feb 15, 2025 11:54 AM in response to Tesserax

You're right, NordVPN is for personal use so that one's easy for me to just get rid of (but it's also only on one of the two affected machines so I don't think it's a likely culprit).


The others (Cisco, AVG, GlobalProtect) were installed as required the employer to access secured shared files. I think Cisco may no longer be required, it just wasn't uninstalled when they switched to GlobalProtect. I don't remember what the deal was with Sophos, that may have been from a very long time ago.


There seems to be a consensus that at least one of these applications is the cause of the crashes, so I'll check with IT about removing them. Cisco's the only one of those mentioned on the Etrecheck reports from both machines, so my money's on that one out of all of them.

Feb 15, 2025 11:28 AM in response to Uncruzimatic

Usual test would be to free up storage space, and to remove the unnecessary Nord and the unnecessary anti-malware app, and see if the issues resolve. And centrally, to get the hard drive replaced, or get the Mac replaced.


Given the unnecessary coffee shop VPN (and metadata-collection tool), and given the unnecessary second anti-malware app, I’d suggest you request IT deal with this instability and the hardware repairs, too. I would wonder about the polices that IT is operating with here, too. Your IT organization might prefer employees to use a PC, so get the PC they want you to have, and stop trying to be efficient and productive. Your other option is to call down the attention of management on IT, of course.


You can force a firmware update on that router too, but the problems here likely involve the add-ons and the failing storage, and less not the Wi-Fi. To update Wi-Fi firmware:

  1. In Safari, open: https://192.168.1.1/#/advanced/fwupgrade
  2. Log into the “admin” account, with the password printed on the router.
  3. Follow the on-screen instructions


But this is likely the (unnecessary) add-on security tools, and/or a dodgy hard disk.


Given the dodgy hard disk, you will absolutely want current and complete backups too, lest all your data go *poof*. And the data is on the path to *poof* per the diagnostics.

Feb 15, 2025 12:27 PM in response to Uncruzimatic

FWIW, I have been involved with corporate IT for a number of years. In my experience, most IT departments either completely ban the use of personal computers, or strictly "cripple" them to be basically useless. Instead, they push you to using a corporate "approved" desktop/laptop for remote work. To their credit, keeping the corporate network free of adware/malware/viruses, etc. is a never ending task that is only more difficult when they allow for personal computer use.


At this point, if available to you, I suggest you have your company's IT department equip you with an approved company device when working remotely for them and leave your personal devices "de-crippled" for personal use.

Feb 15, 2025 10:06 AM in response to KiltedTim

I saw that too, started a DriveDX check. The hard drive is only an issue on one of the two computers, thought, so it doesn't seem to explain why they both began experiencing kernel panics at around the same time.


AVG Antivirus and VPN are required by an employer. I don't think I need Sophos any more, actually, not sure why that's still present - I can get rid of it, but Sophos is only on one of the two affected computers so it's probably not relevant to the issue I'm trying to solve here.

Feb 15, 2025 10:34 AM in response to Uncruzimatic

Uncruzimatic wrote:

AVG Antivirus and VPN are required by an employer.

Interesting as NordVPN is a consumer-grade VPN that is used primarily to access sites over the Internet, and not to a VPN server at a work location. I would think they would require a specific VPN client that they control to access their internal network. Is that what the Cisco socket filter is used for?

Feb 15, 2025 10:36 AM in response to Uncruzimatic

As mentioned the VPN and AV apps you have installed are doing NOTHING to protect the Mac. Your employer's tech team sounds like they may not know about Apple security. While it is true that if a PC virus is sent to your computer it will not affect the Mac if you forward that virus to an unprotected PC that PC will be affected.


If your employer insists that you continue using the VPN and AV apps then please know there is not a great deal we can do and you will be living with a slow, unstable and buggy Mac as these apps tend to modify Mac OS and in return do absolutely nothing in return.

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