USB4.0 Gen3

Phil0124 wrote:

Apple says it can:

From: https://www.apple.com/de/shop/product/myh93zm/a/thunderbolt-3-usb%E2%80%91c-auf-thunderbolt-2-adapter

Because it is a bidirectional adapter, you can also use it to connect new Thunderbolt 3 devices to a Mac with a Thunderbolt or Thunderbolt 2 port and macOS Sierra or newer.}

It will only allow Thunderbolt transfers when using Thunderbolt 2. As @Servant of Cats mentions USB transfers are not supported.

Thunderbolt 2 did not support the USB protocol.

Thunderbolt 3/4 do support both Thunderbolt transfers and USB transfers if using the proper cable & adapters.

JCPMonteiro wrote:

Olá a todos,

O problema é a porta USB-4 não tem controlador interno, e para ligar a Thunderbolt 2 no máximo que podem usar é até a versão USB-C 3. Já tentei ligar várias doc e sem resultado. Cheguei a pensar que o meu Mac Pro 2013 a IO estava danificada e troquei por uma nova, e o problema não era da IO mas sim as versões incompatíveis para este modelo.

Automated translation (from Portuguese):

"Hello everyone,

The problem is that the USB-4 port has no internal controller, and to connect Thunderbolt 2 at most they can use is up to USB-C version 3. I've already tried to turn on several docs and without result. I even thought that my Mac Pro 2013 the IO was damaged and changed it for a new one, and the problem was not the IO but the incompatible versions for this model."

The only Macs that support USB4 transfer modes are Apple Silicon ones. The 2013 Intel-based Mac Pro does not have support for USB4, a version of USB that was released on August 29, 2019.

Olá a todos,

O problema é a porta USB-4 não tem controlador interno, e para ligar a Thunderbolt 2 no máximo que podem usar é até a versão USB-C 3. Já tentei ligar várias doc e sem resultado. Cheguei a pensar que o meu Mac Pro 2013 a IO estava danificada e troquei por uma nova, e o problema não era da IO mas sim as versões incompatíveis para este modelo.

The Mac Pro 2103 has six thunderbolt-2 ports, but adapters and docks are no longer available for devices like drives. So those six ports tody are only useful for displays.

To connect an external drive to the Mac Pro 2013, use an adapter to one of the USB ports.

The English product description page for that adapter links to this Support article.

About the Apple Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter - Apple Support

“This adapter is bidirectional, which means you can use it to connect Thunderbolt 3 devices to a Mac that has a Thunderbolt or Thunderbolt 2 port. In that case, the Mac must be using macOS Sierra or later, and the device using Thunderbolt 3 must provide its own power.“

Wenn Sie dieses meinen, dann ja, es ist kompatibel und kann mit externen Laufwerken verwendet werden.

https://www.apple.com/de/shop/product/myh93zm/a/thunderbolt-3-usb%E2%80%91c-auf-thunderbolt-2-adapter

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If you mean this one, then yes, it is compatible and can be used with external drives.

https://www.apple.com/shop/product/myh93am/a/thunderbolt-3-usb%E2%80%91c-to-thunderbolt-2-adapter

KarlPfeifferHarbachoed wrote:

USB4.0 Gen3 Festplatte an Thunderbolt 2 anschließen - geht das?

Genügt ein derartiger Adapter: Thunderbolt 2-Adapter für Apple-Geräte, Datenübertragungskabel

Automatic translation (from German):

"Connect USB4.0 Gen3 hard drive to Thunderbolt 2 - is that possible?

Such an adapter is sufficient: Thunderbolt 2 adapter for Apple devices, data transfer cable"

No, it is not possible. The USB4 / Thunderbolt ports on Apple Silicon Macs support both USB4 and Thunderbolt, but I know of no adapters to go from Thunderbolt 2 to USB4.

Automatic translation (to German): "Nein, das ist nicht möglich. Die USB4 / Thunderbolt-Anschlüsse auf Apple Silicon Macs unterstützen sowohl USB4 als auch Thunderbolt, aber ich kenne keine Adapter, um von Thunderbolt 2 auf USB4 zu übertragen."

Habe noch Mac aus 2013 mit Thunderbolt 2, ich kann also mit diesem Adapter eine externe Platte anschließen ohne extra Stromversorgung (und Daten übertragen ;))

Automatic translation (from German):

"I still have Mac from 2013 with Thunderbolt 2, so I can connect an external disk with this adapter without extra power supply (and transfer data ;))"

The Apple Thunderbolt 3-to-2 adapter can be used to connect a powered Thunderbolt 3 device, such as a Thunderbolt 3 dock, to a Thunderbolt-2-equipped Mac. It cannot be used to

• Connect bus-powered devices (such as bus-powered drives)
• Connect USB4 equipment
• Connect Thunderbolt 4 or 5 devices (backwards compatibility doesn't extend that far)

Automated translation (to German):

Der Apple Thunderbolt 3-zu-2-Adapter kann verwendet werden, um ein mit Strom versorgtes Thunderbolt 3-Gerät, wie z. B. ein Thunderbolt 3-Dock, an einen mit Thunderbolt 2 ausgestatteten Mac anzuschließen. Es kann nicht verwendet werden, um

• Verbinden Sie busbetriebene Geräte (z. B. busbetriebene Laufwerke)
• USB4-Geräte anschließen
• Verbinde Thunderbolt 4 oder 5 Geräte (Abwärtskompatibilität reicht nicht so weit)

Apple says it can:

From: https://www.apple.com/de/shop/product/myh93zm/a/thunderbolt-3-usb%E2%80%91c-auf-thunderbolt-2-adapter

Because it is a bidirectional adapter, you can also use it to connect new Thunderbolt 3 devices to a Mac with a Thunderbolt or Thunderbolt 2 port and macOS Sierra or newer.}

This adapter doesn't receive power over Thunderbolt, so you can't charge your Mac by connecting the adapter to an external Thunderbolt display or other device that delivers power over Thunderbolt.

--from this admittedly hard-to-find article:

About the Apple Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter - Apple Support

Charging the Mac is not an option, nor something anybody suggested could be done. The real question is whether it delivers power out to a device from the Mac. But if it does not, you should be able to supply power through a dock / hub, or if the device has its own power source.

Phil0124 wrote:

Apple says it can:

From: https://www.apple.com/de/shop/product/myh93zm/a/thunderbolt-3-usb%E2%80%91c-auf-thunderbolt-2-adapter

Because it is a bidirectional adapter, you can also use it to connect new Thunderbolt 3 devices to a Mac with a Thunderbolt or Thunderbolt 2 port and macOS Sierra or newer.}

Yes, except that the OP was asking about connecting USB4.0 Gen3 gear, not about connecting Thunderbolt 3 gear.

USB4 is a different protocol than Thunderbolt 3, even if both run over USB-C connectors. Apple does not claim that the adapter translates between Thunderbolt 2 and USB4.

Nein, Thunderbolt 2/Mini DisplayPort kann nicht in USB umgewandelt werden.

Schließen Sie das Laufwerk mit einem USB-A-Kabel oder einem USB-C-auf-USB-A-Adapter an einen deiner Mac Pro-Anschlüsse an.

As I understand it, that Adapter can not supply power to Bus-powered drives when used in that direction.