Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11

Why is everyone posting irrelevant information? The title of this thread is "Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11." Attacking other members for being frustrated is irrelevant and pointless. Sticking to the topic in order to help others resolve their issues here is the only pertinent information. 13 of these 14 pages can be deleted.

The only way to use the newer products offered by Apple is to use itunes 10. The only way to use itunes 10 is to have software that supports it. This means doing one of two things: using a Mac OS X that supports it, or using a Windows OS that supports it.

Upgrading my mac isn't an option I wish to relish. I would rather buy a pc solely for the purpose of updating my ipod (which would be cheaper in the end). But, since I decided to try to think outside the box, I gave it a shot utilizing Windows XP via my Parallels on my macbook pro. It works great, gave me no problems, uploaded the latest software onto a brand new ipod touch 8gb and downloaded all my music onto it.

Any other posts regarding how much apple *****, or why they don't suck, or why your friend says apple is the antichrist but you have a shrine built towards them in your garage, are irrelevant. Start a new thread if you want to discuss those topics. This topic is titled "Itunes 10 and Tiger 10.4.11." Stick to it. If you aren't helping others with this issue resolve it, leave.

Bottom line: the only way to use Tiger and update your newer ipod or iphone is to use Parallels (or another type of program allowing you to run a Windows OS on your Mac) and update it that way.

TriniTT wrote:
Bottom line: the only way to use Tiger and update your newer ipod or iphone is to use Parallels (or another type of program allowing you to run a Windows OS on your Mac) and update it that way.

No. People that owned perfectly functioning Apple hardware/software should not have to install 3rd party apps to fix Apples business decisions.

Apple should allow users to downgrade their iOS on their iDevices. Not doing so is plain and simply illegal.

The bottom line is that Apples customers got shafted and there is currently no solution.

Installing 3rd party apps/operating systems or buying Mac OS X, 10.5/10.6 is not the solution.

Once you upgrade your iDevice to version 4.x you can nolonger use that iDevice on Mac OS X, 10.4.11

To the Apple fan boys in this thread.. Why do you care if people want to run an old outdated operating system(Mac OS X, 10.4.11) on their old outdated(32 bit) Apple hardware? Stop feeding people with lies that Apple invented some new top secret technology that doesn't exist being the reason that iTunes 10 is not compatible with Mac OS X, 10.4.11

I'm have a similar issue. I have 10.4.11 but I have iTunes 9.2.1. When I try to update iTunes tells me that I have the newest version which isn't true. So I can't even sync my iPhone with my computer. Why can't I get the newest iTunes for my mac?! Geez.... so frustrating.

Just bought a new nano for my daughter for Christmas and it is not even compatible with v9 iTunes. Since I have Tiger 10.4.11, I can not update to v10. Hmmm... Thank you Apple. Now my daughter's gift from Santa can not be used on my iMac, which is only ~ 3 years old. I never thought that I would run into such an issue with Apple, but appears that even Apple is not immune to corporate greed by forcing customers to purchase new upgrades to play some music. Or is it arrogance? Lucky for them, they have customers stuck with iStuff. However, with service like this they will disintegrate over time. Pride cometh before the fall...

Thinking of caving in and shelling out ~$120 to purchase Mac OS X v10.5, but says I need 867 MHz or faster and I have only 667 MHz. Not sure if it will work...

Ben S1 wrote:
Just bought a new nano for my daughter for Christmas and it is not even compatible with v9 iTunes. Since I have Tiger 10.4.11, I can not update to v10. Hmmm... Thank you Apple. Now my daughter's gift from Santa can not be used on my iMac, which is only ~ 3 years old. I never thought that I would run into such an issue with Apple, but appears that even Apple is not immune to corporate greed by forcing customers to purchase new upgrades to play some music. Or is it arrogance? Lucky for them, they have customers stuck with iStuff. However, with service like this they will disintegrate over time. Pride cometh before the fall...

Thinking of caving in and shelling out ~$120 to purchase Mac OS X v10.5, but says I need 867 MHz or faster and I have only 667 MHz. Not sure if it will work…

Seriously?

I think you mean you have 667 MHz RAM. If you have a computer that is about 3 years old, then it should be an Intel computer. If it is, just jump to OS 10.6, Snow Leopard. Way cheaper. The latest PowerPC Mac that left the factory was in 2006. Thats 4 years. The only 667 MHz Macs were from 2001 and 2002 (meaning 8-9 years old).

I have an iBook G4 running OSX Tiger (10.4). This PPC system can be upgraded to Leopard for $150, but can't be upgraded to Snow Leopard for $29.

I just got an iPod Nano for Christmas to replace the two that both died on me recently after only two years. Now, plugging in the new iPod tells me to upgrade to 10.5 to get iTunes 10 to use the new iPod.

I am not prepared to shell out $150 for a "discontinued" OS to install on my 7-year-old laptop that I was only planning to keep for a couple more years, just so that I can use a $149 iPod.

Should I return my iPod? Is there anything that I can do to make my new iPod work without spending $150? Are there any other music players that I can buy that are compatible with iTunes 9?

Please help!

crazierthanu wrote:
I am not prepared to shell out $150 for a "discontinued" OS to install on my 7-year-old laptop that I was only planning to keep for a couple more years, just so that I can use a $149 iPod.

Should I return my iPod?

Yes, return it.

Jarrod Whitley wrote:
I'm have a similar issue. I have 10.4.11 but I have iTunes 9.2.1. When I try to update iTunes tells me that I have the newest version which isn't true.

No, it IS true: if you're still running Tiger, 9.2.1 IS the latest version that will run on your machine without updating to X.10.5 or SL. So it looks like Apple finally updated the update servers to not prompt users to download a version of iTunes they cannot run, anyway.

If Apple changed it to what you suggest, then THAT'S running the risk of accusations of heavy-handed attempts to move to 10.5/6 (if the lack of support of Tiger wasn't motivate people, then nothing would, I guess...

(That was the grievance that brought me to the thread, as I don't want to run anything higher than Tiger on that machine. While someone COULD run Leopard on that PPC G4 Powerbook, there's reports of the experience not being satisfactory; I also don't want to spend the $$, since it is a hand-me-down now, given to the teens after it replaced 3 years ago with a MBP).

So I can't even sync my iPhone with my computer. Why can't I get the newest iTunes for my mac?! Geez.... so frustrating.

Your iPhone used to sync: did you actually update from 9.2.1 to 10.1? The answer is to move to a disk back-up that you made before you updated (you DID make a back-up first, right?), or re-install 9.2.1 if you don't use Time Machine or Super Duper, etc. Then you'll be back where you were.

Dunno74 wrote:

Apple should allow users to downgrade their iOS on their iDevices. Not doing so is plain and simply illegal.

Once you upgrade your iDevice to version 4.x you can nolonger use that iDevice on Mac OS X, 10.4.11

Where'd you get the (wrong) idea that users cannot downgrade an iOS device to 3.x from 4.x? Where'd you get the idea that Apple somehow prevents you from doing so? As this thread shows, there's many reasons someone might update and decide not to keep the update.

Familiarize yourself with Google, and take your own advice:

Stop feeding people with lies

Oh, this:

To the Apple fan boys in this thread..

Uh, I dare say I'm OLDER than you: you DO realize labeling adults as "boys" is insulting and trolling, and likely to get you banned from most forums?

Feefer wrote:
Where'd you get the (wrong) idea that users cannot downgrade an iOS device to 3.x from 4.x? Where'd you get the idea that Apple somehow prevents you from doing so? As this thread shows, there's many reasons someone might update and decide not to keep the update.

Ban me **** breath. If you actually read the thread you would have the answer.

I just received a 6th gen Nano as a gift. Tried to set things up with my Mac running 10.4.11. Got a message that I needed iTunes 10 - I have 9.2.1. iTunes 10 is 10.5 or above. Am i for sure unable to use the Nano unless I upgrade to 10.5? I know the obvious answer. but i have several machines and two nanos, im not getting five upgrades. I could get a second hand windows machine cheaper.
Oh this is after we researched and the original spec on apple site said OS 10.4.11 (now changed of cause).

I know a free upgrade was available some time ago so why not now if they wont support products newly released.

So do i send the nanos back and use one of the many old ipods i have. (cheap option)
upgrade all my machines just to use a new nano!! (not if it cost me near £200)
dedicate one mac to itunes??(meaning I have to do all the family itunes accounts)
or illegally copy to all my machines(perhaps not)

I have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds over the years on macs and software for them.

dont think i will buy a new mac for a while I mean the six i own have been great and I have turned lots of people to macs, but now. I am starting to think the windows fans maybe better off.

the resolve after phoning apple support is as everyone already knows, that you have to purchase an upgrade @ around £25 each.

Or as I put it friendly waste of time.

It appears to me that your recommendation to get the family pack of Snow Leopard doesn't belong in this discussion. Tiger 10.4.11 doesn't upgrade to Leopard or Snow Leopard period. It is clear to me that if I want an iPad for example to communicate with MY iMac I am going to need a new iMac with 10.5 or above. Somebody tell me otherwise! Reading these forums can sometimes be frustrating because well intentioned individuals offer help but have not done the research to back up their recommendations.

TosaMan wrote:
It appears to me that your recommendation to get the family pack of Snow Leopard doesn't belong in this discussion. Tiger 10.4.11 doesn't upgrade to Leopard or Snow Leopard period. It is clear to me that if I want an iPad for example to communicate with MY iMac I am going to need a new iMac with 10.5 or above. Somebody tell me otherwise! Reading these forums can sometimes be frustrating because well intentioned individuals offer help but have not done the research to back up their recommendations.

Why doesn't it upgrade? Am I missing something?

Apple's OS X Leopard Getting Started video (from 2007, when Leopard was released) clearly shows how you upgrade to Leopard from Tiger. So please show me how it doesn't upgrade. Most of these people have computers that can upgrade to Leopard or Snow Leopard.

TosaMan wrote:
It appears to me that your recommendation to get the family pack of Snow Leopard doesn't belong in this discussion.

No: in fact, it's possibly quite helpful to those who've forgotten about the family pack.

Tiger 10.4.11 doesn't upgrade to Leopard or Snow Leopard period.

Wrong. AnonMac was correct in saying that you can migrate to Leopard/Snow Leopard as long as you have a machine that meets the minimum specs. Links to the minimum hardware specs are found elsewhere in the thread many times over, so I'm not re-posting a link.

It is clear to me that if I want an iPad for example to communicate with MY iMac I am going to need a new iMac with 10.5 or above. Somebody tell me otherwise!

Since you failed to mention exactly WHICH generation iMac you own (which CPU, clock speed, how much RAM, etc), no one can provide an answer for you (note that iMacs have been around since 1998. In case you don't know, such information can be found under Apple menu, "about this Mac")

Reading these forums can sometimes be frustrating because well intentioned individuals offer help but have not done the research to back up their recommendations.

People asking for help need to meet those "well-intentioned individuals" half-way by providing needed information (as mentioned above).

delbot wrote:
I just received a 6th gen Nano as a gift. Tried to set things up with my Mac running 10.4.11. Got a message that I needed iTunes 10 - I have 9.2.1. iTunes 10 is 10.5 or above. Am i for sure unable to use the Nano unless I upgrade to 10.5? I know the obvious answer.

You do. (And there is no non-obvious answer, or hack, that I know of.)

I know a free upgrade was available some time ago so why not now if they wont support products newly released.

??? No free upgrade that I've heard of, unless you mean buying a new machine that has the newer OS bundled.

So do i send the nanos back and use one of the many old ipods i have. (cheap option)
upgrade all my machines just to use a new nano!! (not if it cost me near £200)
dedicate one mac to itunes??(meaning I have to do all the family itunes accounts)
or illegally copy to all my machines(perhaps not)

If you have that many machines, it's smart to dedicate one for use as a living room media center computer that runs iTunes and an Apple TV (or EyeTV, Boxee, etc). That way there's one master library to back-up to the cloud and local HDs.

I have spent hundreds of thousands of pounds over the years on macs and software for them.
dont think i will buy a new mac for a while I mean the six i own have been great and I have turned lots of people to macs, but now. I am starting to think the windows fans maybe better off.

Word of advice: when longtime Apple users saw the changes coming (was that 6 years ago?), many decided how they would handle the transition with the timing of their purchases.

I decided to stagger purchases in a leap-frog manner, replacing a Powerbook 3400 (pre-OS X) with a PPC G4 Powerbook that came with 10.2 (but would bring me up to 10.4), then buying an Intel CD MacMini that came with 10.4 (upgradeable), then a MBP with 10.5 installed (upgradable to 10.6), then trading in the MacMini a few years later for C2D machine (10.6 installed).

Point being, staggering your purchases is a good idea, just so you're never paying for OS upgrades.

the resolve after phoning apple support is as everyone already knows, that you have to purchase an upgrade @ around £25 each. Or as I put it friendly waste of time.

Funny, as I just bought a Samsung netbook running Win 7 Home Starter as a gift for a teenage niece, and the upgrade to Win 7 Home Premium (which adds the ability for a user to set a picture as their desktop, amongst other similarly dubious added "features"!) was selling for $80!

The Cyber Monday deal offered the upgrade for $20, but even at 75% off, I had to think long and hard if the added functionality was worth the $20 (and I thinking how a Tiger to Snow Leopard upgrade added significantly more functionality for essentially the same amount).

So all here who are saying they're going to Windows, don't forget to send a postcard! The grass is always greener (until you actually get close enough to see for yourself).

FWIW, I've purchased licensed copies of both XP and Win 7 Pro install DVDs over the years, for running under Parallels and Fusion (not to mention Boot Camp).