Typographical Options

As a long-time Word (if you'll pardon the expression) user, I have found Pages less than flexible and somewhat convoluted, nevertheless, I have renounced Microsoft and all of their evil works, and shall persevere with Pages until I sink into my grave. In my work I require many characters that the average user never looks at, like alternate ampersands, long s, etc. Using the ampersand as an example, I know that the font I'm using has three different versions (including the one I need), as it is displayed in the 'Repertoire' in Font Book. How the devil do I insert it? It does not appear in the character palette, and I did check the various selections (alternative stylistic sets) in the font window, but I still get the ordinary ampersand. In Word, one simply opened 'insert special characters' and every available one was there, to select and insert. Of course, Pages is not Word, so — what does one do?

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.5.8), Flat broke and bored s---less.

Posted on Oct 25, 2010 4:54 PM

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Oct 25, 2010 6:01 PM in response to Jerrold Green1

Thank you, JG1, I did try that before, but I am sorry to report that it only returns the ordinary, common-to-every-font varieties, and not the 18th century et and c combination, which does appear in the Font Book repertoire for the font (Garamond) I am using. The same holds true for other 'special' characters I need. I hate to admit it, but since I couldn't do what I need to do, I've been using Word 2007 in a PC, saving the document and bringing it over to pages to finish. This is embarrassing and I do need to master Pages, otherwise moving to Mac is a bit of a wash-out for me. Many thanks for the suggestion, though!

Oct 25, 2010 6:53 PM in response to rewards

r,

I'm surprised that you don't see the installed fonts in your character palette. I have only the standard fonts, but everything in my Font Book shows up in the palette. Here's a selection of ampersands that I have:

User uploaded file

Do you know the Unicode for your symbol?

Jerry

Just noticed that you're using 10.5 - not able to check the behavior with Leopard at this time.

Message was edited by: Jerrold Green1

Oct 25, 2010 9:35 PM in response to Tom Gewecke

Yes, I've searched through the glyph tables, but the characters I need (and which, as I've mentioned, are part of the font and are displayed in the font book) do not appear there. Bad business, what? Do you think they have something personal against me? I mean, it's not likely, I haven't been in California since 1974 or '75, but perhaps I inadvertently elbowed Jobs at the entrance to the Whisky-A-Go-Go, thirty-odd years ago? Oh, well. Thanks again!

Oct 26, 2010 6:49 AM in response to rewards

Yes, I've searched through the glyph tables, but the characters I need (and which, as I've mentioned, are part of the font and are displayed in the font book) do not appear there.


Everything that appears in repertoire in Fontbook should definitely appear in Character Viewer View=glyph. Are you sure you are looking in the right place?

Also, to see all the ampersands available in different fonts, you need to select ampersand in the Character viewer (view = code tables, unicode 0026) and then look down in the Font Variation pane. Are you doing that?

Oct 26, 2010 7:27 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

Yes, I was looking in the right place, and I did expand the viewer (so that these tired, old eyes can see), select ampersand, and looked in the variations pane. The required characters were not there. I have solved the problem by trashing Pages and several associated files and re-installing. Now when I select Garamond and look in the Font Variation pane, everything is there. It still seems a convoluted way of doing things... Thanks to all (even the cannibal from the Antipodes) for support!

Oct 26, 2010 8:40 AM in response to rewards

Eat one leg and you are a cannibal for life! 🙂

Why didn't you mention it was Garamond (and which version), we wouldn't have been chasing our tails.

The problem can have many sources, with a few details we can track down the likely suspect. We shouldn't have to tease it out of you at length.

Anyway you are back in business so that's all to the good.

Peter

Nov 2, 2010 12:38 AM in response to rewards

In my work I require many characters that the average user never looks at, like alternate ampersands, long s, etc.


Short answer: You are not asking about characters, you are asking about glyphs, and the glyphs you are asking about are not going to be searchable in your PDF, if you plan to publish it online. Depending on what you are doing, anywhere from 5% to 50% or more of your composition will be completely unsearchable.

Long answer: In the technical terminology of ISO10646/Unicode/TrueType, alternates are NOT characters, alternates are glyphs. Glyph alternates are, therefore, not in the same human interface as ISO10646/Unicode characters, but in a separate human interface. For the human interface in Apple Mac OS using QuickDraw GX, see the Typography Palette for the set of feature selectors that are implemented in the individual intelligent font; for Mac OS 9, 9.1 and 9.2, see WorldScript which is a separate install from the retail system software CD. For the human interface in Apple Mac OS X using ATSUI Apple Type Services for Unicode Imaging and CoreText, see the Apple Typography Palette for the individual font, that is, first pick the font in the Font Palette and, if the font has support for feature selectors that draw glyph alternates, then click the Advanced icon at the bottom of the Font Palette to open the Typography Palette for that font. Microsoft implemented TrueType in 1992, but withou support for glyph alternates. Microsoft has implemented support for glyph alternates for Windows Word 2010 ( http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/opentype-options-in-the-font-dialog- box-HA101809106.aspx).

Per the Unicode Proposal of 1988, per the TrueType Specification of 1990, and per ISO-IEC Technical Report 15285, a distinction is made between imageable glyphs that can be drawn by direct depiction onto characters in ISO10646/Unicode (we can call these preferred glyph forms) and imageable glyphs that cannot be so drawn (we can call these presentation glyph forms). We do not want to encode presentation forms in ISO10646/Unicode, for instance, a different character code for each and every different glyph alterntate for the et ligature of which there are very, very, very many - cf Jan Tschichold, "Formenwandlungen der Er-Zeichen", Frankfurt am Main: D. Stempel AG. Stylistic alternates are allowed in typography, but stylistic alternates are semantic allographs, and semantic allographs are not allowed in telegraphy (ISO10646 is heir to ISO646 and ISO646 is heir to a century of International Telegraph Alphabets back to IT11:1874 which introduced the Baudot character model, see the Unicode Proposal of 1988 for further information).

In the intelligent font model, presentation forms are not drawn by direct depiction onto character codes in ISO10646/Unicode. Mapping from public and font-independent character codes to private and font-dependent glyph codes is done in the CMAP Character Map of the intelligent font model. This mapping yields the preferred or default glyph form as drawn by the type designer. To draw presentation forms, the font-dependent glyph codes output by the CMAP are remapped to other font-dependent glyph codes using human-sensible feature selectors, that is, meaningful typesetting terms. Apple's supplements to the TrueType Specification use the MORX Metamorphosis Extended tables to draw glyph alternates; Microsoft's supplements to the TrueType Specification use the GSUB Glyph Substitution tables to draw glyph alternates. Neither composition drawn by Apple MORX tables nor composition drawn by Microsoft GSUB tables is searchable in Apple's system PDF service.

/hh

Nov 2, 2010 12:49 AM in response to Tom Gewecke

Everything that appears in repertoire in Fontbook should definitely appear in Character Viewer View=glyph. Are you sure you are looking in the right place?


Thomas,

If memory serves, did you not post that no-one would every want to use the Glyph Catalogue of the Character Palette for typesetting of glyph alternates? That was when it was pointed out that using the Glyph Catalogue did not in fact insert the background ISO10646/Unicode string to match the glyph alternate (e.g. for an fb ligature U+0066 and U+0062), but inserted REPLACEMENT CHARACTER U+FFFD which caused the composition to become completely unsearchable.

Henrik

Reference:
http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#technotes/tn2002/tn2079.html

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