Adobe flash player needed on iPad

Not meant to be the end-all-be-all but rather the other side of the story. Just because Apple says something, it does mean that it is the whole truth. Both parties are not going to devulge everything to the public regarding this squabble between each other. I pulled that statement - Adobe CEO: Apple Feud Over, Android Will Overtake iPad.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2386359,00.asp

Apple is no different than Adobe when it comes to "Saving Face".

I don't take everything Apple says as truth either. Like I said, no company is going to say it's their fault.

I do have to say though, that the title of that article did make me laugh out loud.

Maybe that is part of the problem, Apple does dream and develop, Adobe has purchased all of their technology. Of course their CEO would like everyone to develop with their proprietary software tools, thank god most developers don't.

And the format war was between DVD-HD and BluRay but I'm not sure how this compares.

Are you perhaps a Flash developer?

And just like with smartphones of course Android based tablets will pass the iPad in sales, it runs on many more hardware platforms. So what? You really think putting Flash on iOS and Windows Mobile 7 would crush Android?

And of course it is about competition, but it is also about security. You really think Adobe's recent stumbles are not going to impact sales in the Enterprise?

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Oh to be close minded William, it is dreamers and developers at companies that make things happen (on both sides). Problems are ment to be solved, not shoved under the table. Here is a statement recently from the other side.

My comments are not based on Nayaren or Jobs' statements but rather years of painful experience using Flash and watching it use 100% of CPU and crash browsers on multiple platforms at least once a day.

That's not the fault of the OS unless you blame Mac OS X and Linux and Solaris for the inability of Flash to work properly.

"Maybe that is part of the problem, Apple does dream and develop, Adobe has purchased all of their technology. Of course their CEO would like everyone to develop with their proprietary software tools, thank god most developers don't."

Maybe you don't understand, but Adobe made the tools for developers to create apps that work across platforms. Apple doesn't work that way, they use Objective-C (from what other developers have said of Apple) which is not common to other systems. It is Apple which is limiting, majority of other manufacturers of devices are working towards platforms that will allow for easier generation of apps that do not have to be programmed twice.

"And the format war was between DVD-HD and BluRay but I'm not sure how this compares."

The comparison is that Apple wants everyone to go to HTML5 (which is what Apple supports) to replace Flash which is what millions of other companies and is by far more functionally that HTML5. But yet one company (Apple) wants to set the tone for the rest buy lying about Adobe Flash.

"And just like with smartphones of course Android based tablets will pass the iPad in sales, it runs on many more hardware platforms. So what? You really think putting Flash on iOS and Windows Mobile 7 would crush Android?"

I think that making platforms flash compatible and making it easier to develop applications one time that work cross platforms will crush the iPad.

"And of course it is about competition, but it is also about security. You really think Adobe's recent stumbles are not going to impact sales in the Enterprise?"

Funny I am sure that Apple has security issue but by their statement, they just don't talk about it as much. Every system has security issues that crop up and no system is truly immune. However, how one company rates a threat and informs the public of the concern may be different between each company. The following is the statement with the Apple security website.

"For the protection of our customers, Apple does not disclose, discuss or confirm security issues until a full investigation has occurred and any necessary patches or releases are available. Apple usually distributes information about security issues in its products through this site and the mailing list below."

There we're some security updates even with Apple as well if you look at the most recent date. So Apple is not immune.

Adobe CEO: Apple Feud Over, Android Will Overtake iPad.

So an OS that runs on dozens of devices, will overtake an OS that runs on 6-7 devices? (iPad, iPhone, iPod touch)

Will any single company be even close to Apple?

Okay, so apparently you are not a developer or a programmer.

Adobe just released tools that let you convert Flash-based applications to other platforms, you could always use other tools to include Flash. They want to sell people these tools. They are proprietary. The majority of Android developers do not use them. You are confusing Flash as a platform and Adobe programming tools. Sand it really isn't that hard for Android developers using C-based programming and HTML to also program in Objective-C using the Apple SDK as opposed to the Adobe SDK.

The tools to program have nothing to do with enabling Flash and it has not slowed down the number of apps available in the App Store.

Flash has a history of blatant security issues, so much so that I could not use it on my computer in my job due to databases I was connected to. You don't think 2 major breaches in one week is major? Yes, Apple has released security updates but like everyone (including Adobe) they do not release details.

Finally, HTML5 is an open source standard that many companies (including Microsoft) support. Not sure what your "millions of companies" support Flash even means.

And regarding app development.

http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/

We know from painful experience that letting a third party layer of software come between the platform and the developer ultimately results in sub-standard apps and hinders the enhancement and progress of the platform. If developers grow dependent on third party development libraries and tools, they can only take advantage of platform enhancements if and when the third party chooses to adopt the new features. We cannot be at the mercy of a third party deciding if and when they will make our enhancements available to our developers.

This becomes even worse if the third party is supplying a cross platform development tool. The third party may not adopt enhancements from one platform unless they are available on all of their supported platforms. Hence developers only have access to the lowest common denominator set of features. Again, we cannot accept an outcome where developers are blocked from using our innovations and enhancements because they are not available on our competitor’s platforms.

Flash is a cross platform development tool. It is not Adobe’s goal to help developers write the best iPhone, iPod and iPad apps. It is their goal to help developers write cross platform apps. And Adobe has been painfully slow to adopt enhancements to Apple’s platforms. For example, although Mac OS X has been shipping for almost 10 years now, Adobe just adopted it fully (Cocoa) two weeks ago when they shipped CS5. Adobe was the last major third party developer to fully adopt Mac OS X.

No I am not a developer

Yes, Adobe tools are just that, tools used to develop apps that can be used on more that one platform (except Apple).

Yes Flash is not a platform, but if yo want to get technical, here it is.

Adobe® Flash® Player is a cross-platform, browser-based application runtime that provides uncompromised viewing of expressive applications, content, and videos across browsers and operating systems.

HTML is used by many but it not provide the level of proformance that Flash does.

As for making it so the developers have to program to Objective-C just because Apple wants it that way rather then they having a choice, well I would like to see their response since they have to use it and I don't.

So what you are saying then is, if Adobe can't make it so Flash can operate on the iPad, then it has to be Adobe's fault and that, Apple, in all its innocents are not part of the problem?

Yes, I can read promotional material too.

HTML5 is just now being approved, your assessment that Flash is "better" than it now is debatable, whether it will be a year from now, who knows.

Over a half a million apps have been written using Objective-C and the SDK, you are attempting to create a problem that does not exist. Adobe is attempting to sell a 3rd party tool that is not required for development. As was already posted by others and covered well in the "Thoughts on Flash" 3rd party development tools tend to result in stifling innovation and restricting development of apps. But Wallaby is available if Adobe users want to avail themselves of it.

Again, Mr. Jobs, his engineers and staff have done their research on Flash and made the decision not to support it. Mr. Jobs has stated the reason why. You have presumably read it. If you need Flash buy a competing product that uses Flash. It makes no difference to YOU as a consumer whether a developer used C++, Objective-C, an Adobe tool, etc. as long as the app works. Nothing posted here will change it. If you want to force a change take control of Apple.

You are beginning to sound like an Adobe salesperson.

Thats funny. No I am not an employee of any computer company or software developer but you sure do sound like a rep for Apple.

I haven't created any problem, just read about them from developers who work with Objective-C, much like you reading about Adobe Flash. There is always two sides to a coin. If you want to talk about stifling competition Apple is very much up there with there "my way or the highway". Huh, sounds kind of familiar, wait... that would be the issue with Flash not working on the iPad.

Later I will link the comments by those that develop with both HTML5 and Flash then draw your own conclusion.

I have read the comments/articles from Jobs as well.

I love the usually retortoric about taking control of Apple.

I've worked with both Objective-C and Flash and read the comparisons. And I agree with the statements by Mr. Jobs regarding 3rd party development tools. Plus I know several developers and haven't heard any complaints or any desire to to use a 3rd party development tool. How long did it take Apple to sell out the WWDC? 2 hours? Half a million apps? Doesn't sound like a problem to me.

It isn't a question of stifling the competition, it is just competition. And (here comes the rhetoric) you nor I can do anything about it unless we control the company.

Any particular reason this is the only topic you post about.

You've been making a great case as to why Flash should be eliminated from the web. However, as long as it still exists and as long as it is still being used to provide content that web users want to receive, then those users will want Flash support on all of their Internet access devices. These are users that either have not experienced Flash problems (like me) or are willing to put up with those problems in order to receive the content. They feel that the content is more important than the mechanics for delivering that content.

It's all well and good to talk about the future but we're not there yet. Five years from now means nothing, next year means nothing, tomorrow means nothing. Users want the content NOW.

I want a million dollars, NOW.

... Why won't you give it to me RIGHT NOW?

Sometimes you can't what you want exactly when you want it. It's called life.

I want the MLB season ticket on my Dish Network system NOW. Users want it NOW.

And I can get it. iF I switch to DiectTV, or Time Warner cable. Know what I don't do? Go to their site and post thousands of times saying Dish should have it.

Same thing for Flash. If users want it NOW they can use their computer or buy a smartphone or tablet that has Flash.

It's really pretty simple.