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Question: New Thread -- Genius is Unavailable for the Song ... (New songs bought ITS)

Hello,
I am on iTunes 10.1.2(17). I have noticed for at least a couple months now that when I buy new songs from iTunes Music Store and try to get a genius list from them, I get the message "Genius is Not available for the song..." I have looked at all earlier posts, tried checking and unchecking all songs, and all previous fixes, but nothing works.

This is nothing off the beaten tracks. Top 20 hits. Example "Hold My Hand" Michael Jackson and Akon, and "Forget You" Cee Lo Green. So it strikes me that there should be lots of data to make Genius playlists. It seems to me that songs that are newly released are the ones having issues.

Any suggestions?

iMac Core Duo, Mac OS X (10.6.6)

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Feb 5, 2011 4:02 AM in response to roames In response to roames

Genius works of iTunes reading other peoples playlists and playing habits to create recommendations.
If songs are new then they will not be in many playlists yet or not have been played as much as older tracks, also Genius is only updated once a week so the information will not have been collected about the new songs from other peoples iTunes libraries yet.

Every week your computer sends information about your playlist and music listening up to the iTunes store, this is then merged with everyone else's information and this is then used to provide Genius recommendations. With new music it takes a while for enough information to be compiled to provide the Genius recommendations. Just wait a week or so.

Feb 5, 2011 4:02 AM

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Feb 8, 2011 1:30 PM in response to roames In response to roames

From what I can tell Genius hasn't been working for songs that have been released since April of last year. For example all Glee songs up to the episode ****-O work, but starting with The Power Of Madonna they no longer do. But it's not just Glee. It's every song released past that date, does not matter when I purchased it, just when it was actually released.

Feb 8, 2011 1:30 PM

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Feb 16, 2011 7:20 PM in response to roames In response to roames

I am having a similar issue. there is a song in my itunes library (released May 2009) that I was at one time able to make a genius playlist with. Now, when I attempt to make a playlist from it, it says "genius is unavailable", when just a couple weeks ago, it had no problem.

Also, I have this same song on my iPhone. The playlist gets created no problem. All the songs on the iPhone came from my computers iTunes library. So it seems odd that the iPhone, with only a fraction of the songs on it, would be able to do what the computer cannot. Not sure if the latest update is affecting this or not.

Feb 16, 2011 7:20 PM

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Apr 8, 2011 6:50 AM in response to Carms In response to Carms

I've had exactly the same problem. Most of my music from Sept 2010 onwards won't create any sort of Genius playlist. That includes new releases in 2011. I seem to have found it affects only Alternative genre stuff.
I've been in touch with Apple and all they say is that it must be a problem with my library content. Despite most of my content being the Alternative genre.
Anyone found any solutions?

Apr 8, 2011 6:50 AM

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Apr 8, 2011 8:42 AM in response to WickedShamrock In response to WickedShamrock

You will only get Genius suggestions if other people have used the tracks you have bought in playlists on their computers.

Genius works like this:

1. People buy or RIP music from CDs into iTunes.

2. Every week iTunes passes the information about what is in your playlists (and millions of other users) up to the Apple iTunes Genius servers.

3. Apple's Genius servers then analyse the playlist data of these millions of users and look at what music people are putting together in playlists. If the music you have purchased has not been put into playlists by very many people Apple does not get enough info about it to make Genius suggestions for it.

4. Apple sends a file to your computer every week which contains links between music that it has determined from the playlist info it has collected from millions of other users (above), if your purchased track has not be used in many playlists of other users then you will find that you can't get a Genius suggestion for it.

Apr 8, 2011 8:42 AM

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Apr 8, 2011 10:41 AM in response to Ian Parkinson In response to Ian Parkinson

Thank you. I am familiar with how the genius feature is supposed to work.

You did not answer my question, though. Have you tried this feature with some relatively current music?

I will readily admit that the music I listen to may be more obscure than some people. For example many had not heard of the Arcade Fire when they won an Emmy this year. But, that being said, I do believe that many people have bought, listened to, and sent this information to Apple since the release of their album, the Suburbs. This is just one example of songs that do not work with the genius feature as you have described. Other obscure albums such as the LCD Soundsystem's "This is Happening" do not work in this way.

Another obscure band named the Beatles finally made it into the iTunes Store in the latter half of 2010 and their albums (even though they were released some time ago, I think) do not seem to work with the genius feature. I would recommend trying it yourself. I just tried with a more well known title called "I Want to Hold your Hand" (hoping that a few more people using iTunes may have listened to this song) and it did not work. Perhaps another more popular tune (or one that people haven't tired of) would work better, as you suggest, but i don't think so.

Apr 8, 2011 10:41 AM

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Apr 8, 2011 11:21 AM in response to Carms In response to Carms

Clearly you are not familiar with how it works.
The tracks you mention may be popular but UNLESS they have been placed in playlists created by users along side other tracks then they will NOT appear in Genius mixes.

Tracks I have purchased in the last month all work with Genius:

Eliza Dolittle - Skinny Genes
Adele - Chasing Pavements

Apr 8, 2011 11:21 AM

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Apr 17, 2011 11:37 PM in response to roames In response to roames

I have noticed the same thing. Genius has not worked for any songs released in the last year and I have purchased several albums. I think Apple has to look into changing the way they come up with Genius playlists. If it is off of other people's listening habits it isn't quite working. Maybe they should go off purchasing habits or like minded artist. I have Zune software on my computer too and when I want a "quick" way to make a playlist off a current song I use that instead but I rather not since I have an iphone and ipod.

Apr 17, 2011 11:37 PM

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