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Diagnostics Test: Please plug FW?

Ok, so I had been having some problems with my iPod in that when I tried to connect it to my computer, iTunes would freeze, "My Computer" wouldn't see it, etc. So one of the things I tried to do to solve this problem was see if there was something wrong with the iPod itself. I currently have the 80GB silver iPod classic. I reset the iPod using the menu and action buttons, and then put it into diagnostic boot with << and action button. I first selected the auto test, passed the quickscan, passed the keypad test, passed the wheel test, then the hold switch test comes on. I turn the hold switch on, then off, and test detects it with the 0 and 1, then hit menu to continue. Then the HP detect test, I plugged in the headphones until it said 1, and then uplugged them. Pretty much, all you do to go through these tests is do what it says so that it can read that the function is there, and then read that you removed that function, such as the HP (headphones). However, now I get to the Accessorize test. Plug in the USB cord to a power source (computer or wall outlet works) and USB_DETECT=1, and then to 0. But then it asks me to please plug FW. Which I'm assuming is FireWire. But isn't that usually used for older models? I don't have and never have had a FireWire cable for this iPod. How to pass this test? All other forums I've looked up concerning this message, most people were not trying to do the diagnostics test and had no clue what it was and what to do with it. Am I supposed to go buy a FireWire adaptor just to do this diagnostics?

Studio 1500, Windows Vista

Posted on Feb 13, 2011 8:15 PM

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Posted on Mar 21, 2011 11:58 AM

You can select which tests to run manually, however this is probably the one that really matters...

*Check your iPod with Diagnostics Mode*
It's possible that your iPod's hard drive has started to fail. Take your iPod and place your right thumb on the centre SELECT button and your left on the top MENU button. Press down both thumbs for about 6 seconds until your iPod reboots. Immediately move your left thumb around to the rewind button |<< on the left and hold this down together with SELECT for a further 6 seconds. Your iPod should now switch into Diagnostic Boot mode. Press MENU for *Manual Test*, then select *IO > HardDrive > HDSMARTData* to reveal your stats. For comparison here are mine for my 2 year old 6th Generation Classic:
Retracts: 889
Reallocs: 12
Pending Sectors: 0
PowerOn Hours: 2202
Start/Stops: 894
Temp: Current 24c
Temp: Min 10c
Temp: Max 50c

Take a note of your results. When finished press *SELECT & MENU* for 6 seconds to reset the iPod again.

With modern disc drives sectors are no longer marked bad by a disc scan, if the SMART firmware detects a sector it has trouble accessing it will attempt to invisibly reallocate it to a spare area of the disc.

Note that I've only 12 remapped sectors and none pending. To help explain what the numbers mean here is an extract from the Wikipedia S.M.A.R.T. article:
*Reallocated Sectors Count*
Count of reallocated sectors. When the hard drive finds a read/write/verification error, it marks this sector as "reallocated" and transfers data to a special reserved area (spare area). This process is also known as remapping, and "reallocated" sectors are called remaps. This is why, on modern hard disks, "bad blocks" cannot be found while testing the surface – all bad blocks are hidden in reallocated sectors. However, as the number of reallocated sectors increases, the read/write speed tends to decrease. The raw value normally represents a count of the number of bad sectors that have been found and remapped. Thus, the higher the attribute value, the more sectors the drive has had to reallocate.

*Pending sector count*
Number of "unstable" sectors (waiting to be remapped, because of read errors). If an unstable sector is subsequently written or read successfully, this value is decreased and the sector is not remapped. Read errors on a sector will not remap the sector (since it might be readable later); instead, the drive firmware remembers that the sector needs to be remapped, and remaps it the next time it's written.

Large numbers of Reallocs or Pending Sectors would suggest your drive is failing and that you may need to repair or replace your iPod. Check your stats after another attempt to update your iPod. If the numbers increase that again points to hard drive failure. While it won't be good news at least you'll know it isn't some random software problem and you can decide what to do next.

tt2
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Mar 21, 2011 11:58 AM in response to Brian O'Brien

You can select which tests to run manually, however this is probably the one that really matters...

*Check your iPod with Diagnostics Mode*
It's possible that your iPod's hard drive has started to fail. Take your iPod and place your right thumb on the centre SELECT button and your left on the top MENU button. Press down both thumbs for about 6 seconds until your iPod reboots. Immediately move your left thumb around to the rewind button |<< on the left and hold this down together with SELECT for a further 6 seconds. Your iPod should now switch into Diagnostic Boot mode. Press MENU for *Manual Test*, then select *IO > HardDrive > HDSMARTData* to reveal your stats. For comparison here are mine for my 2 year old 6th Generation Classic:
Retracts: 889
Reallocs: 12
Pending Sectors: 0
PowerOn Hours: 2202
Start/Stops: 894
Temp: Current 24c
Temp: Min 10c
Temp: Max 50c

Take a note of your results. When finished press *SELECT & MENU* for 6 seconds to reset the iPod again.

With modern disc drives sectors are no longer marked bad by a disc scan, if the SMART firmware detects a sector it has trouble accessing it will attempt to invisibly reallocate it to a spare area of the disc.

Note that I've only 12 remapped sectors and none pending. To help explain what the numbers mean here is an extract from the Wikipedia S.M.A.R.T. article:
*Reallocated Sectors Count*
Count of reallocated sectors. When the hard drive finds a read/write/verification error, it marks this sector as "reallocated" and transfers data to a special reserved area (spare area). This process is also known as remapping, and "reallocated" sectors are called remaps. This is why, on modern hard disks, "bad blocks" cannot be found while testing the surface – all bad blocks are hidden in reallocated sectors. However, as the number of reallocated sectors increases, the read/write speed tends to decrease. The raw value normally represents a count of the number of bad sectors that have been found and remapped. Thus, the higher the attribute value, the more sectors the drive has had to reallocate.

*Pending sector count*
Number of "unstable" sectors (waiting to be remapped, because of read errors). If an unstable sector is subsequently written or read successfully, this value is decreased and the sector is not remapped. Read errors on a sector will not remap the sector (since it might be readable later); instead, the drive firmware remembers that the sector needs to be remapped, and remaps it the next time it's written.

Large numbers of Reallocs or Pending Sectors would suggest your drive is failing and that you may need to repair or replace your iPod. Check your stats after another attempt to update your iPod. If the numbers increase that again points to hard drive failure. While it won't be good news at least you'll know it isn't some random software problem and you can decide what to do next.

tt2

Jan 7, 2013 2:26 AM in response to turingtest2

So close! At least iTunes recognised it and attempted the restore... but then it hit:

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Which, after a look at "More Information", I take it to mean my hard drive is f'd. Ah well. It was definitely a good shot and thank you for the DFU tip! Now's it's a debate as to whether I'm brave enough to replace a HD on a 160GB Classic or not. I'm thinking not...


Thanks again!

Sep 30, 2016 8:28 AM in response to turingtest2

So, I have an iPod Classic, 160gb. My HDD crapped out on me and so I bought an iFlash adapter to replace the HDD with flash media. I bought a 256gb SD card and installed everything and it worked fine. Restored as advertised and loaded my entire iTunes library. Used it for a while and then it started acting up....don't remember what it was, has been awhile, but I figured I would just restore it again and reload my music. Well, I tried that and now I cannot restore it to save my life. Not sure what is going on exactly, however, I have used Disk Utility to reformat it and iTunes will recognize it and tell me I need to restore it, but I constantly get error messages telling me it can't be identified properly or it can't be restored.

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It is almost always in Disk Mode when I connect it and if I try to do a soft reset, the Apple logo appears for a few seconds then restarts again, endlessly until either I put it back in Disk Mode or the battery dies. If i do a DFU reset, it shows me the screen with the USB plug and "Use iTunes to Restore" and I get the same results in iTunes.

I have checked the flash card and it has no errors. I have used numerous cables, bought new ones, etc... I have plugged it into my wife's Window laptop and it is fine; I can restore it and then plug it into my MBP and begin to sync it, but it never stays connect long enough to finish the sync. It disconnects after maybe 10 minutes and then i get the same message as above. I have gone into Diagnostics mode and gone to IO>HardDrive>HDSmartData and all I get are Temp data, no SmartData.... Sometimes it does not even give me that, only the dreaded, Can't Open and Drag Halt! flashing at the bottom, but if I restart it and go back in I can typically get it. As you can see from the below screenshot, it shows that SMART status as Not Supported.... I take it that's bad.

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I guess what I don't understand is that it is not an HDD, it is flash memory, I restored it before, why will it not restore again and what happened to the SMART status? I did have to replace the logic board on this baby, so I have a feeling that maybe that might be the problem perhaps? Not sure what else to try...

Jan 7, 2013 11:37 AM in response to TechCare

Retracts is the number of times the heads have been removed from the disk. Possibly equivalent to number of resets the device has had. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S.M.A.R.T.#S.M.A.R.T._information


Try the DFU restore as described above. If the iPod has been charged up you should be able to get it to reset and into the diagnosics screen unless something is very wrong with it.


tt2

Apr 23, 2015 1:49 PM in response to felipedfn

See the reformat drive section ofCorrupt iPod classic. Perhaps a full format, followed by a surface scan, followed by DFU restore would work, but only if there is a limited portion of the drive that is now unreliable which can be identified and ignored in future. If matters are getting worse then it is probably time to admit this unit has reached the end of its useful life.


Part of the difficulty is that problem areas of the disk are normally only detected once something has been written to and then there is an attempt to read back. When this happens with media items the device can take a number of tries to read the data, then give up and start playing the next song. If the data the device is trying to read contains a folder or part of the devices database then it is more likely to creash, either when you are playing it, or when iTunes is trying to load content.


tt2

Aug 5, 2015 12:42 AM in response to Starrkya

As you say, apart from the temps the stats look fine. Your issue may be with the iTunes installation and the registration of the iPod Service rather than the device, particularly if you can communicate with it using Ubuntu. If it no longer works with Ubuntu either then perhaps the port is clogged/damaged resulting in the USB failure.


See Troubleshooting issues with iTunes for Windows updates for advice on rebuilding iTunes.


tt2

Oct 1, 2016 4:10 PM in response to Manfred34

If iTunes is opening automatically and interfering with using Disk Utility, you should put iPod into Disk Mode first


How to put your iPod into disk mode - Apple Support


Connect iPod with iTunes not running, and open Disk Utility. In Disk Mode, iPod should act like a USB storage device.


For an iPod that is formatted for Windows, the correct format is actually FAT32. Not NTFS. And its Scheme is Master Boot Record. A Mac treats NTFS as read-only, so that may be the reason for the odd results in Disk Utility.


As an FYI - A better thing to try if connecting it to a Windows PC (assuming it has iTunes installed), is to do a Restore using iTunes for Windows. Then, it gets formatted properly for an iPod that's used with Windows. Back on the Mac, you can do a Restore (to reformat it for Mac), but you can also just use it with Windows format. iTunes (on a Mac) does not care because Macs can read and write FAT32. In fact, my old 3rd gen iPod (2003 model) with a 64GB SDXC card (on an adapter) only works reliably with Windows format. It's synced to my iTunes library on my Mac, but I did its last Restore using iTunes for Windows (using my VMware Fusion Windows XP virtual machine).


Back to your current situation... I would put it into Disk Mode first, and see if you can Erase it in Disk Utility using the specifications I described in my previous reply. Then, Restore it again using iTunes.

Aug 1, 2012 1:00 AM in response to Adt192

Weird, the links work for me. The relevant bit tells you to format the drive from Windows.

ERASE YOUR iPOD (WINDOWS XP)

  • Open "My Computer" on your Desktop
  • Select "IPOD". It should be listed next to your C drive.
  • Right click and chose "Format"
  • Select "FAT 32" and <Format>
  • Reboot Computer

ERASE YOUR iPOD (WINDOWS VISTA/7)

  • Open "My computer" on your Desktop
  • Right-click on iPod
  • Click "Format"
  • Select "Restore Device Defaults"
  • Press "Start"


after which you restore as normal in iTunes. It does a more thorough job of preparing the device for the restoring but it still can't fix unreliable sections of the drive. If, however, previous use has flagged up all currently unreadable sectors then the process should have caused these to be mapped out and it should be possible to get some more use out of your iPod.


tt2

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