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OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,140 points)
Is there a Save or Save as icon that I can add to the tool bar as I have in Word? It makes life easier. I'm already annoyed that there's no autosave feature.

MacBook Pro i7, 17". iPhone 4 (32GB). Magic Trackpad., Mac OS X (10.6.5), No Windows here
  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (32,860 points)
    No, and no need.

    +command s+ = Save

    +command shift s+ = Save As which are consistent and easy to remember on the Mac.

    Auto Save will be universal in Lion and for now just download *ForEverSave Lite* (free) which does the same thing.

    Peter
  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,925 points)
    Autosave, coming soon: Lion.

    Icons in the Toolbar, no. I presume you know about Command-S and Shift-Command-S.

    Sorry you're so annoyed.

    Jerry
  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,140 points)
    Helpful answers, and yes, I have known about command-S forever. However, I do not like command-S, because I have to move both hands to find the command key. By then, I could have clicked the mouse. Writing should require the minimum amount of finger and hand moves. Oh well, I'll stick with Word, I guess.
  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (32,860 points)
    Why both hands? You just do it with your left thumb and middle finger, the keys are practically next to each other. To do a Save As you add in the ring finger.

    Your hands should be on the keyboard and only occasionally on the mouse.

    Keyboard shortcuts are almost instantaneous compared with mousing around. One reason I have observed why PC users waste so much time.

    Peter
  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,925 points)
    Marlin,

    The only time I prefer a Toolbar icon over a key sequence is when it's for a command that I use so seldom that I can't remember the shortcut. That's certainly not the case with Save.

    In any case, I hope that you took advantage of the 30-day free trial of iWork. Better to be happy to leave than to be unhappy and having to stay.

    Jerry
  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,140 points)
    PeterBreis0807 wrote:
    No, and no need.


    Strongly and respectfully beg to differ on "no need". How we use programs is up to the individual, and having the highest amount of flexibility in setting it up is the hallmark of good design. For example, I love the trackpad on my MBP, but I do not like (no, I despise) the touch-click feature. But Apple allows me to shut that off.

    And some people, like myself, are more visual, so icons mean more than memorize hundreds of keyboard shortcuts. I admit to using none, except copy and paste. I'm an extremely fast typist, and keyboard shortcuts drive me crazy. And in no way should any program be one flavor for all.

    Lastly, if Apple had chosen to make an autosave feature available, I wouldn't have even asked this question.
  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,140 points)
    Jerrold Green1 wrote:
    Marlin,

    The only time I prefer a Toolbar icon over a key sequence is when it's for a command that I use so seldom that I can't remember the shortcut. That's certainly not the case with Save.

    In any case, I hope that you took advantage of the 30-day free trial of iWork. Better to be happy to leave than to be unhappy and having to stay.

    Jerry


    Again, I disagree. Why would YOUR opinion of what's faster trump MY opinion? Without scientific evidence, I'm quite skeptical. But I stated previously that I type fast and I don't like keyboard shortcuts. They always slow down my typing speed. I'm not sure why, but probably retraining how I type isn't worth the effort of the learning curve.

    I purchased iWork with my Mac. There are some things I like about it. Somethings, especially in Numbers, frustrate me. I think it's a matter of habit. Lucky for me, iWork wasn't that expensive.
  • Jerrold Green1 Level 7 Level 7 (29,925 points)
    You are annoyed, I'm happy. I was just explaining why I'm happy.

    Jerry
  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (32,860 points)
    You can do anything you want, and believe me I've seen some doozies!

    But all the more reason if you are a fast typer not to take your hands off the keyboard to mouse around for something that is at your finger tips.

    How hard is it to remember +command s+ for Save?

    There is a reason why most keyboard shortcuts are mnemonic or positional.

    Imagine how well you'd play the piano if you had to reach for a mouse and toolbar icon every minute.

    Peter
  • OrangeMarlin Level 5 Level 5 (5,140 points)
    Peter, why are you lecturing me? Are not people entitled to logical reasons for not doing it one way or another? And your rudeness is completely unnecessary. I know you have 9000 or so posts here, but that gives you no right to be a jerk.

    On my MBP, the command key is in a very bad position for my hands, meaning either I move my fingers down two rows, which is inconvenient, or use my thumbs. By that time, I could move the mouse, and be back to typing 2X as fast.

    Nevertheless, you've answered my question. Further discussions with you appear to have no merit whatsoever.
  • PeterBreis0807 Level 7 Level 7 (32,860 points)
    Hmmm.

    I was not being rude, just discussing something it turns out you don't want to discuss because you think it implies criticism.

    The arrangements of the keys in question on a MBP are the same as for a regular keyboard. Unless you are missing the use of the fingers in question, hardly a question of contortion at all.

    You were the only one to turn to abuse.

    Peter
  • Barry Level 7 Level 7 (29,210 points)
    OrangeMarlin wrote:
    Lastly, if Apple had chosen to make an autosave feature available, I wouldn't have even asked this question.


    Among the many AppleScripts Yvan Koenig has written for iWork, there's one called AutoSave that you might find useful.

    You'll find it on Yvan's iDisk. Click For iWork, then iWork '09, then autoSave_iWork.zip.

    Regards,
    Barry
  • Elfstone Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I found this interesting discussion through a search for 'save icon' in Pages.  I support orangemarlin on this - not having a save icon in the tool bar ia a real pain!  (and if that makes me a "doozie" so be it).  If I am resizing shapes and so on in a document then my hand is already on the mouse;  I don't want to have to move it to a keyboard just to save. Even when I'm typing text (in Appleworks), I will move my hand to the mouse to save and pause for thought while I do it.

     

    This thread has answered my question though and I am grateful to those of you who provided answers and info to the original poster. 

     

    "Imagine how well you'd play the piano if you had to reach for a mouse and toolbar icon every minute."  This is not a good analogy;  pianists often have to turn the pages of the music, by moving a hand away from the keyboard,  and we do so for the most part without interrupting the flow of the music at all. 

  • adityafromvasai Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    upgrade to lion's autosave

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