Final Cut Pro X

I guess that as Apple has told the world about FCP 10 then (basic) questions can be asked....

1) Do you still need to (officially) transcode into Quicktime? or will it handle say DVCPro HD natively?
2) Is there upgrade pricing or does everyone pay $299 regardless
3) A video I saw had the presenter refer to FCP 10... if I'm using the latest which is 7 where did 8 & 9 go?
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HVXser

Message was edited by: hvxuser

17" i7 MacBookPro 8GB, Mac OS X (10.6.4), 7200 Hard Disk

Posted on Apr 13, 2011 3:28 AM

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Apr 18, 2011 9:34 AM in response to coocooforcocoapuffs

coocooforcocoapuffs wrote:


That's an interesting thought, where FCPX is the new FC Express, and there is more to come with a Pro offering

Funny you should say that as I've heard a few people voice very similar thoughts.... personally I'm not sure. At the moment having seen so little of FCPX I think its just too involved for it to be a credible step up from iMovie although the price is spot on.

Apr 18, 2011 10:02 AM in response to Shaggy

>Isn't the Canvas and the Viewer the same Window?


No. The Canvas is playback from the active sequence and the Viewer is a preview pane that many editors use as an intermediate stage for media selection, adding trim points, etc., before adding media to the timeline, or pulling materials from the timeline to add filters, motion maps, and so on. As it stands, the Viewer and Browser will be sort of integrated.


I do not believe there will be a "Pro" extension to any forthcoming uber-version -- WYSIWYG. X is it. Love it or leave it.


Apple does have a verifiable track record of deleting useful applications - Shake, LiveType, Final Touch (which became COLOR, renamed)...


I think it doesn't take much imagination or powers of deduction to see that the writing is on the wall -- many support forums have already been deleted -- all it takes is "connecting the dots".


If what we are left with is "Share" as a disk creation option, then that will be a very serious problem for anybody who used to want to be able to author anything with more than a "Play" button. Very definitely it means that Apple will never support anything BluRay -- and it doesn't matter what anybody's preferences are -- clients are asking for it, and my experience over the past three years of dealing with this gap is that Apple is the worst at it.


More to come, unfortunately.


jPo

Apr 18, 2011 10:43 AM in response to JP Owens

Absolutely agree, JP. I am able to Blu-Ray workflow on my MacPro, but I had to jump through many hoops, incl. investing in A/PPremium. Also have native AVCHD ingest and workflow thru BM Intensity Pro card. MPE screams too. All apps 64, on all cores. Also leverages NVIDIA Cuda. I am able to edit AVCHD, no problem, RT. No proxies. I have been a staunch Apple Pro App "FanBoy" for many years now, and have invested LOTS of $. Maybe I'm being a bit paranoid, but this lone update has me giving it the hairy eyeball. But... I remain open-minded and hopeful. I remember when I bought Shake... like two weeks after, they dropped it. What happened to it? Motion 3/4?

Apr 18, 2011 10:52 AM in response to hvxuser

ProMaxed's experience with Shake is really the only thing that has me worried on this. Mac Store only means that if some day (before I am done using it), they stop supporting the app store for mac, then your purchases are gone. They already don't mind that people have paid full price for the software once (thus no upgrade offer), and software companies have been known to drop things they no longer see as profitable (like Shake). Everyone here is up in arms about "it does this it does that", but the real scary part is when you are paid $300 for a software whose existence hinges on process that survives by whim..

Apr 18, 2011 11:17 AM in response to JP Owens

JP Owens wrote:


>Isn't the Canvas and the Viewer the same Window?


No. The Canvas is playback from the active sequence and the Viewer is a preview pane that many editors use as an intermediate stage for media selection, adding trim points, etc., before adding media to the timeline, or pulling materials from the timeline to add filters, motion maps, and so on. As it stands, the Viewer and Browser will be sort of integrated. ....


jPo

jPo I was referring to Final Cut Pro X! If you look at the demo... you can see where ever the cursor floats over a clip or film strip it will update on the Canvas top far right window in Final Cut Pro X. 😉 Easy? 🙂

Apr 18, 2011 4:33 PM in response to coocooforcocoapuffs

Thought provoking. What if Apple had said, "Can we make an edit program that has ALL the highest aspirations of full Final Cut Pro, and also make it function just fine for the guy/gal who just wants a simple, straightforward editing program? In other words, can we make ONE program that will serve anybody who climbs out of iMovie. Something that has all the needed complexities, yet appears to be simple?"


That would avoid all the "Can I upgrade to FCS from FC Express?" questions, and open up the Pro user base to purchasing the ups and extras (Audio, Graphic and Text Manipulation, Grading, Compressing, etc.) on a piece-by-piece basis.


What kind of milk do you use of Cocoapuffs in Nepal? Yak?

Apr 18, 2011 6:08 PM in response to hvxuser

As a full time editor turning out in the neighborhood of over 150 videos a year since 2007 and a newbie to final cut pro in 2009 with a real "jump start" in 2010, I have a few questions that would help me decide on FCPX or STAY with FCP7 in FCS3:


  1. Does it do multicam (if so how many cams) and will it function easier than the way it does in FCP7? And also, in particular can one do the multicam edit from the "preview" window before sending it to the timeline or does the multicam edit have to go to the timeline to make it work?
  2. Will the timeline handle various codec formats directly to the timeline (like Avid) or do they have to be transcoded to some ProRez version via ingesting like FCP7 does?
  3. Are there export options straight out of FCPX to file format, DVD, or CD, or does one still have to have other suite or app options to get a finished product outside some quicktime format (this question in part is directed for those of us who often have platefuls of TV broadcast shows that need to be output to MPEG2 and thus we have to make a QT then use compressor.) ?
  4. Are the color corrector, audio controls, and motion controls, inside the app (like in many Avid software options) ? This one would be a real plus to full time editors who are looking to minimize their workflow steps.


For those who have the insider information, I'd very much appreciate some input so I know whether to continue to follow this product with excitement or just stick with my battle strategy and press on with FCP7 and hope there will be a FCP8 that covers the above features more easily than the current more cumbersome methods.


For those who are complaining about the $299 price, all I can say is WOW. If FCPX has the above and is at least as good as FCP7, then I would say, this is a great price and Apple has just found a way to market a lot of MacBook Pro's and MacPro's as just about everyone running an NLE will want to buy a Mac to get their hands on this low cost app. This product is a Mac seller more than an NLE seller. For those with PC's who get pushed around by FCP and Mac users, they will no longer have a hurdle to jump to get FCP, the price tag is a cinch to go ahead and buy a Mac and get filled with joy. I know for this former Apple/Mac hater, the move to Mac was a hard decision but once made, I am sold. I even sold off Avid Liquid, Media Composer, Adobe Master Collection Suite PC version, and more . . . for FCS3, a MacPro Quad Core Xeon x2, and MacBook Pro let alone an iPad2 and an iPhone . . yeah I guess I'm a "fan boy" now :-)

Apr 18, 2011 6:23 PM in response to KREMER-MEDIA.EU

KREMER-MEDIA.EU wrote:


I still hope that it is a kind of joke! The interface looks terrible. The worklflow is worst ever. I love the FCP as it is and most editors do. All we needed was 64 bit, multiformats, background render and 4K + RAW support. That;s it. And what they done is some rubbish software for amators. All of this otions showed in first sneak are avaiable at the present version.You just need some skills and knowledge to acces them. This new FCP should be called Youtube Final Match.

It high time to move back into Avid.


I agree with this along with a few plugs to help the editor get 2011 capable. Don't give me an iMovie upgrade I don't want it. I want the full PRO flexibility app potential so I can continue to work on broadcast and movies. Nothing amateur here.

Apr 18, 2011 6:59 PM in response to Penn-Ohio

In analysing the screen shots, and all the new buttons, I see there's a Clip/Graphic/File Browser type button in the top right of the Timeline tool bar. I understand how a photo browser accesses iPhoto/Aperture, and the music browser would access iTunes. But what would that button bring up? Seems Apple "may" have done away with the Scratch Disk paradigm for storing/managing video files. Will be very interesting to see what happens with that little button.


I just posted my analysis of all the buttons in all the windows on my blog. If you take a close look, top left of Timeline window, there's a button who's icon is a camera with an downward arrow. Is that the Ingest from tape/card button, or a live capture button? A few I can't figure out, the ones I can are pretty nice. We'll see what happens in June.

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