Final Cut Pro X

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Here's a quote from you, Austin.

"Doesn't Apple know who I am? Don't they know I'm the BEST person to give a pre-release copy to?"

Doesn't Apple know who I am? Don't they know I'm the BEST person to give a pre-release copy to?

Gabriel Martin wrote:

I can see your thinking, but it might be a bit overkill.. ..... It is hard to say exactly what editing 4K is going to be like on FCP X, but 4K by definition, is more than twice as big as 1080p ..... .Just my 2 cents 😉

hmmmmmm i think a 4k image is more than 4x to 6x the data of a 1920x1080. most 4k cams are in the 4000 x 2500 to 3000 range which then equates to:

1920 x 1080 = 2,073,600

4000 x 2500 = 10,000,000 or 4000 x 3000 = 12,000,000

which is 5x to 6x the data manipulation. i think that is one thing that makes the 5dm2 such a hot button and why lucas films chose the camera as their B and C roll cameras where they just pay more attention to color details on the front end and/or shoot several shooting spectrums (after all cheap camera by comparison) utilizing the whole 4k imager to image that compresses the "end" result to a 1920 x 1080 or full out the port (which is what i believe they do and wherein their DP stated at NAB "...the red is dead" statement)

so fcpx doing 4k is something totally NEW in the data cruching because what i seen from the demo's the image was being projected from a frame that was on a macbook pro (laptop) which is prob the newest generation 64 bit quad or more cores?

"Doesn't Apple know who I am? Don't they know I'm the BEST person to give a pre-release copy to? "

Hmmmmmmm.

"Doesn't Apple know who I am? Don't they know I'm the BEST person to give a pre-release copy to? "

btw ... watch the video mate, buttons you'e desperately guessing at get pressed and reveal their function

Gabriel,

I think you´re just right about the highly compressed h.264 as a starting point - bad to my process. As far as I understood (and I´m an amateur on video) the less compressed, the better raw material to manipulate. My films do not deal with reality so my final images are close to painting rather than to film/real image. Even if I could only use a DVD format (I really hope not) player to show my work (my dream is a RED projector 4K device or other similar; no matter the brand) I think and trust that as you pointed a 3 or 4K almost uncompressed material, as a starting point, as my ink and canvas will allow me to end up with much better results.

My point isn´t screening film or transfer to 35 mm (hope so one day ,-) is to deal with the best possible starting material; less compressed, etc. Because now I see image degradation.

Thanks for your nice opinion ,-) Allways welcome your thoughts guys.

On the other hand I trust that FCP X will handle well 4K material (if from RED with some RED hardware help too, that allready exists) if Apple is programming for it. I still trust Apple guys.

I only see good stuff in the future. Hope to gather conditions to proceed with my work, with the best tools.

Oh, you guys are too funny.

Its already available for download:

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/imovie/id377298193?mt=8

Pretty expensive, though.

jPo

Penn-Ohio,

my workflow is simple: 5DMII_1080p/24>ProRES LT to edit (with Mpeg Streamclip)>Compressor to Export for various formats.

I tried better ProRes Flavours but I didn´t saw much better results vs HardDisk space and render process with my MBP. Fortunately I now use a Mac Pro and have more HD space, but I look forward, to work with less compressed material.

Apple ne sais qui je suis? Ne pas qu'ils savent que je suis la personne idéale pour donner une copie pré-version de

I think Apple has misunderstood who you are, Austin. You happen to be the BEST person to give a pre-release copy to.

By the way, what is "Analizing"? Sounds painful.

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done. made myself public didn't reallize i had to turn that on. hopefully will here about the 5dm2 workflow as we are just ready to start working on some serious movie projects with the 5dm2

Cela m'a fait de rire.

Penn-Ohio wrote:

Gabriel Martin wrote:

I can see your thinking, but it might be a bit overkill.. ..... It is hard to say exactly what editing 4K is going to be like on FCP X, but 4K by definition, is more than twice as big as 1080p ..... .Just my 2 cents 😉

hmmmmmm i think a 4k image is more than 4x to 6x the data of a 1920x1080.

I did say more than 2x, but your right.. 🙂 was just trying to give an overview.

Personally I think FCP X will change a lot of workflows and they way we view the work, in other words things are going to get a lot quicker. So 4K editing might make sense for greater picture control, even if we only need 1080p out the other side.

However, my main point is FCP X won't be a dumbed down FCP 7 as it has support for 4K which is very much a pro workflow.

When FCP X comes out, I would hire a AG-HVX200 and a RED cam for a day and have a play with the effects and colour manipulation in FCP X and see how it stands up at 1080p resolution and 4K.

But any drastic effects or changes to colour can and will cause degradation so its also how you use the effects, and ensuring you are probably monitoring what you are doing.

How you create your final playback disc/file will also have a big effect on final picture quality.

But if you plan on displaying the work at 4K then it makes sense to shoot it 4K.

Sounds like interesting work!