Final Cut Pro X

I guess that as Apple has told the world about FCP 10 then (basic) questions can be asked....

1) Do you still need to (officially) transcode into Quicktime? or will it handle say DVCPro HD natively?
2) Is there upgrade pricing or does everyone pay $299 regardless
3) A video I saw had the presenter refer to FCP 10... if I'm using the latest which is 7 where did 8 & 9 go?
Cheers

HVXser

Message was edited by: hvxuser

17" i7 MacBookPro 8GB, Mac OS X (10.6.4), 7200 Hard Disk

Posted on Apr 13, 2011 3:28 AM

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May 12, 2011 9:40 AM in response to Tom Wolsky

Tom Wolsky wrote:


It's part of the Premiere package that includes Encore, OnLocation, Media Encoder, and other stuff.

ok. well i'll be. fairly new to mac's/osx (only 2 years now) i never thought to goa looking in the "apps" folder. sure enough, there is encore. thanks "Tom Wolsky" for the help. i'll goa checking it out and see how it works in comparison to DVD Studio Pro which is giving me fits trying to do letter box menu with widescreen (16:9) material :-(

May 12, 2011 9:53 AM in response to Patrick Sheffield

Patrick Sheffield wrote:

Not only that, but as Sony owns the format, in order to give Apple Blu-Ray playback abilities, Apple would have to give Sony deep hooks into the operating system in order to ensure that no one "hacked" Blu-Ray's encryption or had access to the HD content in memory. Do you think Apple should give a competitor control over OS X? I don't think that's a good idea.


The stupid thing is that the format has been long ago hacked on Windows and as has been said - its a dying format...


Patrick

Totally Disagree! Even the facts disagree! Apple is a supporting Contributors to the Blu-Ray format.

Also it's not a dying format in fact it is rising format. Alone the sales of the beginning 2011 will prove this.

Not until every household has a fast enough internet connection there will be a solid media on the market.

Besides lets not start the quality comparison. Apple just does not want to support something that they can not sale on iTunes. Look at the CD how many stores do you know still sales Music on CD's? Bingo!


In the case of Apple giving a "deep hook" it worked with DVD Studio Pro and the again another fact since Apple is the only one not providing a full support shows lack of interest.


P.S. My recently bought a Blu-Ray of a Disney Pixar Film. 🙂

May 12, 2011 1:35 PM in response to Shaggy

Shaggy wrote:



Totally Disagree! Even the facts disagree! Apple is a supporting Contributors to the Blu-Ray format.


...snip...


In the case of Apple giving a "deep hook" it worked with DVD Studio Pro and the again another fact since Apple is the only one not providing a full support shows lack of interest.


P.S. My recently bought a Blu-Ray of a Disney Pixar Film. 🙂


Apple's only contribution was that in 2005, they joined the board of directors of the Blu-Ray Disc Association, which was created simply to "broaden support for the Blu-Ray disc".


Apple did not contribute to the format - it was already established.


Steve Jobs himself has called Blu-Ray "a bag of hurt".


As to the DVD Studio Pro - that is not a player. Referring to deep hooks into the OS, I said "...in order to give Apple Blu-Ray playback abilities...".


Sony jealously guards Blu-Ray's encryption technology - they've a reason to - it was the cracking of HD-DVD's encryption that lost it the format war and gave the win to Sony. Blu-Ray's encryption was supposed to last "10 years". Guess what? It fell within a year of HD-DVD. Sony's still trying to keep the barn door closed, but that horse has bolted...


Patrick

May 12, 2011 2:00 PM in response to Patrick Sheffield

"Alone the sales of the beginning 2011 will prove this." Actually, sales of the begining of 2011, and every year previous, prove it's falling short of expectations, and is growing SLOWLY.


Online downloads are growing FAST.


Those are the marketing FACTS. So many reports out about this over the past 3 years, I won't even address them individually.


The US is the slowest Internet and cell phone network of all industrialized nations. I have a cousin who works in internatinal advertising, lives in Tokyo, and says Blu-Ray is pretty much laughed at there, since Internet download, not to mention mobile download/streaming is so much faster there. I have family and friends across the globe who echo what the scientific facts report, we are behind the rest of the world in this area.


No, Blu-Ray sales at any time don't prove it to be viable at anytime, anywhere. Where do you get your information?


Another comment made, no, optical media will not disapear soon. DVD-5 is still alive, but mostly as a data transfer medium. Just as Blu-Ray is mostly used for data transfer/backup. But even with backup/archive, DAT and LTO tape is once again making a huge come back in the professional, and now the prosumer (look at Bru) markets. More reliable than any other medium on the market, lasts longer, been around longer, proven.


Blu-Ray, it'll die over the next 5 years as a delivery format for movies. It'll be in the same stable as SD DVD is now. And if you think it's going to take over the world, you need to travel to other countries, and research the marketing data. It's just languishing between gaps in US techology trying to catch up to the rest of the world.


Also, remember, in Asian and Europe, Apple's Mac computers hole much, much higher market share than here. Think about it...

May 12, 2011 7:33 PM in response to BenB

Look guys, nothing personal BUT all this discussion about BluRay is like a discussion about the price of gasoline and/or whether or not there will be cars using it in the next few years or even 5 or 10.


The facts are pretty self evident BluRay is in use today, its going to be in use for a while yet, any application that poses itself as a PROFESSIONAL NLE product has to either deal with Blu Ray . . OR . . simply it is NOT professional. Done.


Final cut works with my high definition video. Compressor has a solution for high definition and from what I see in the templates and set up screens on DVD Studio Pro it also has high definition.


Thus I don't know what all the riff and opinions is about BluRay . . it's here, if you want to be a professional, you need to have it, and if you do, then there you have it. Do it !!


If the product doesn't work, or it's maybe gonna be dead in 1 year, 2 years, then move on to something that works. I know for one if I was to opinionate, I'd vote for HD DVD just because the drive supported 50GB instead of the shabby 35 . . PLUS . . it burned deeper so scratches were of less importance to fail.


Let's enjoy BluRay while we have it, no worries on if it is about to or going to die, all technology today dies in short order, enjoy the ride while you can. 🙂

May 12, 2011 8:14 PM in response to Penn-Ohio

"...BluRay . . it's here, if you want to be a professional, you need to have it..."


So, even though I've been producing media most of my life, and 100% of my income comes from it, the simple fact I've never burned optical media, including Blu-Ray, in the past 2 years, I'm suddenly not a professional? Some folks have clients that demand it. Some of us don't. So, if none of my products have ever been delivered on Blu-Ray, I'm not professional.


Gotcha. I guess I should shut down my business now and change careers, right?


I happen to know many production companies around the country that are never asked to do Blu-Ray for their products.

May 12, 2011 9:45 PM in response to BenB

BenB wrote:.....the simple fact I've never burned optical media, including Blu-Ray, in the past 2 years, I'm suddenly not a professional? Some folks have clients that demand it. Some of us don't. So, if none of my products have ever been delivered on Blu-Ray, I'm not professional.


Gotcha. I guess I should shut down my business now and change careers, right?


I happen to know many production companies around the country that are never asked to do Blu-Ray for their products.

well BenB sorry i didn't realize there were democrats in here spitting hairs. look all im saying is that the majority of folks in the business are more like the work we do (broadcast shows and commercials, events, weddings, documentaries, etc.) and that will ultimately require delivery on optical discs. so, just becasue you are not an optical delivery method doesn't mean you are not a professional, let me reword the technical sarcasm symantics..... let it read....


"...any one in this business who is a professional needs to have professional gear, software, and systems, and since optical delivery is probably greater than 50% of typical professional's delivery format and since the entire industry is moving BluRay, any professional should have in his arsenal . . BluRay" 😉

May 12, 2011 10:24 PM in response to Penn-Ohio

Penn-Ohio wrote:


...snip...


The facts are pretty self evident BluRay is in use today, its going to be in use for a while yet, any application that poses itself as a PROFESSIONAL NLE product has to either deal with Blu Ray . . OR . . simply it is NOT professional. Done.


Final cut works with my high definition video. Compressor has a solution for high definition and from what I see in the templates and set up screens on DVD Studio Pro it also has high definition.


DVDSP supported HD in the form of the now defunct HD-DVD, as it's format was very similar to SD DVD. I've had to deliver precisely 1 (one) BluRay disc. I used Compressor's Blu-Ray disc utility. Done.


...snip...


I know for one if I was to opinionate, I'd vote for HD DVD just because the drive supported 50GB instead of the shabby 35 . . PLUS . . it burned deeper so scratches were of less importance to fail.



BTW, HD-DVD supported 50 in dual layer mode. Blu-Ray supports 70 in dual layer.


Really not sure what you mean as to deeper. Scratches don't affect the pitted layer itself, they distort the laser light and cause errors. It'd be a MIGHTY deep scratch if you were reaching the foil. Blu-Ray might be more susceptible to errors from scratches because of its higher data density. It certainly didn't burn any "shallower".


Patrick

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