Final Cut Pro X

Penn-Ohio wrote:

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well BenB sorry i didn't realize there were democrats in here spitting hairs. look all im saying is that the majority of folks in the business are more like the work we do (broadcast shows and commercials, events, weddings, documentaries, etc.) and that will ultimately require delivery on optical discs.

First of all let's not get political...I don't think anyone has the patent on hair splitting.

Most of what I deliver is broadcast TV. The only Blu-Ray I've ever been requested to deliver was for a convention presentation. No one in broadcast wants Blu-Ray. What could they do with it?

Patrick

Andy Mees wrote:....Take your blinkers off PO, nothing is ever that black and white.

for sure, for sure, for sure. that's why they came out with color AND bluray 😉

Patrick Sheffield wrote:... No one in broadcast wants Blu-Ray. What could they do with it? Patrick

hmmmm, not splitting hairs? ok all our broadcast to over 100 stations worldwide is MPEG2 usally at about 4.5Mb/s to 6.0Mb/s. 100% of our HD delivery is in BluRay. what our clients (including broadcast) do with it, i don't know, don't care, and don't want a change. ive been told they convert it on some avid product but that's only hearsay. again, don't care. we do over 150 productions a year out of our one man shop with one full timer and 3 freelancers when i get behind and that includes shooting with canon xha1's (which everyone told us would not qualify for broadcast) and even an hv40 (b roll) all of which got approved for SD and HD (hdv acquisition) formats out of Avid Liquid and now FCP and until about 18 mos ago, all our broadcasters took ISO and VTS DVD's and did their thing with them HOWEVER one net work has a series of Leightronix units that they upload to once a week and when they asked for MPEG2 delivery at 4500Kb/s the client asked that all of them receive the same format. for us this was more work and still is but at least its uniform plus allowed for an upcharge of 25 a show 🙂

Don't think I ever said anything one way or the other about splitting hairs... just don't bring politics into it.

I deliver MPEG Program Stream all the time for national broadcast - usually by uploading to an FTP site, but sometimes on a drive. Never, however, as a playable Blu-Ray. You deliver as a playable Blu-Ray and they extract the MPEG files from that?

Very odd - do the specify that you encode for MPEG and not H.264? Why not simply give them the MPEG Program Stream?

Patrick

Patrick Sheffield wrote: "...I deliver MPEG Program Stream all the time for national broadcast - usually by uploading to an FTP site, ..."

we do ftp sometimes too (commercials only) but all tv shows are delivered on an optical disc in MPEG2 6.0Mb/s AC3 audio at 192khz and 48k. have put them even on dual layer DVR+R's and they worked using Toast

Patrick Sheffield wrote: "....You deliver as a playable Blu-Ray and they extract the MPEG files from that? Very odd - do the specify that you encode for MPEG and not H.264? Why not simply give them the MPEG Program Stream?"

commercials in MPEG2 in 720HD but TV shows they don't specify, simply ask for BluRay as we output them. again, ive been told they convert them. one week we were running close on the delivery time and missed the 3p thursday deadline and they told us we could deliver at the one station directly to master control late that night and when i arrived there the one master control op said that they convert them in ENG but he did not know what. the shows air on the weekend so they prob convert them to MPEG2 for server stream delivery. my guess though. im not in the ENG side of the broadcast, im only a producer. we shoot, edit, deliver to our clients and they do the distribution. i know the audio track is extracted by two stations who radio the broadcast both in the usa, indonesia, and i think south africa, but alas this post process is not our game, we hand off the finished media and they do their thing with it including mass duplicating tons of copies that get mailed all over for broadcast and direct delivery to guests and audiences on the respective shows.

Here's an idea. Perhaps we could move the BluRay talk to a discussion called 'will FCPX support BluRay'. And bring this one back on track?

Just a thought ;)

(and what's with the last few pages of bickering? If you're on here, likelihood is - you're a professional, I don't think that's in question.)

"...and since optical delivery is probably greater than 50% of typical professional's delivery format..."

Not in my market. All the TV stations we deliver too take QuickTime files on FTP sites, long shows on hard drives. I don't know any of my local stations accepting Blu-Ray discs. And I travel across the country training and consulting, and MOST of the professionals I deal with rarely touch Blu-Ray. That's simply my experience. You're personal local market may be different. I'd like to see some broadcast industry stats on Blu-Ray use, although I don't think they exist. We just each have our own personal experiences.

Back to the subject of this thread... FCP X, only a few weeks away! Will be exciting to learn a ne FCP, will be a drag having to re-test. Ugh...

"any one in this business who is a professional needs to have professional gear, software, and systems, and since optical delivery is probably greater than 50% of typical professional's delivery format and since the entire industry is moving BluRay, any professional should have in his arsenal . . BluRay"

I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. There are thousands of professionals around the world working in broadcast television who have never made a disc of any kind.

How's that disc burning on Media Composer going BTW?

On the other end of the scale there are thousands doing coporate work or for the web that never had to burn a disc either. I thnk you're looking at a fairly narrow spectrum of the production landscape.

I've tried to read through the entire thread but gave up at page 13, I think, due to all the whining.

I've been tinkering with editing in iMovie, FCP4 and lately FCE4. Once FCP got bundled in to a studio package, me being able to purchase my own license, rapidly disintegrated. I had to stick with iMovie, which I think lost the plot when it changed it's interface so moved to FCE which was a familiar interface. But, it doesn't have what I need.

I film concerts for a band. I mostly do this with one camera. Then pull all the footage of a tour in to FCE and edit that. FCE won't let me edit multi camera shots. FCP does. I hope FCPX still do as well. I put together a video for the band that is now being used to promote the new live cd and because of my limited knowledge and the limitations of FCE it took me a long time to get it done. Would have been way quicker with FCP and looking at FCPX demos - even quicker still.

Color correction in FCE is, IMHO, diabolical *****. It is hard to work with despite the manual saying it's dead easy. If elements of color has been built in to FCPX I'm all for it!

I don't need motion. I haven't been able to wrap my head around LiveType (is that still around). I most certainly don't need shake. And soundtrack pro - well, I can get access to studios with protools in a heartbeat. So basically, being able to buy what I need for $300 instead of having to dish out $1500 (here in sweden) for bundle of software where the majority I have no use of is for me a godsend. And if what the presenter at NAB is saying is true that it scales to work even on macbooks, there is no need for me to change my macbook pro from 2010 in to the newer model. (although I wouldn't mind one).

I'm by no means a pro camera person or editor but I come from a family of actors and film-makers so have spent enough time on location from day dot constantly asking questions and learning so I have some grasp over the workflow (dad had the old film editor in our house and tried to explain to me how it worked when I was about 7, which is early 70's.) But having done this at the age of 40+ and realizing editing and filming is fun and dang, I would love to do more of it with better tools. And that's where this new version of FCPX comes in.

On a different note: Kevin Brook, your post on page 5 had me fall in love with you.

Penn-Ohio I agree but...

BenB wrote:

Blu-Ray, it'll die over the next 5 years as a delivery format for movies. It'll be in the same stable as SD DVD is now. And if you think it's going to take over the world, you need to travel to other countries, and research the marketing data. It's just languishing between gaps in US techology trying to catch up to the rest of the world.

Also, remember, in Asian and Europe, Apple's Mac computers hole much, much higher market share than here. Think about it...

Interesting you say that I am in Europe right now and have been her for the past 10 Years. Blu-Ray is becoming more Popular week by week. Thanks to James Cameron brining back the 3D gimmick... Star Wars HD... 😉

Your right Blu-Ray will die but after that there will be a another optical or chip based media. Why? I would predict the next home entertainment resolution will be 2k. Again there is no download quality that can compare with Blu-Ray. We are talking bps... the only online popular online services that can compare with Blu-Ray are the ones that will send you the Disc in the mail. 😉

Back to FCPX! 🙂

Yes back to FCPX, please.

Did anybody knew about a free webinar about FCPX this week? FREE.

No, not FCP X, anything but that, I mean how much regurgitated speculation and unoriginal thinking do we need about this unreleased product. I much prefer reading daft posts by Bluray stalwarts, at least its mildly entertaining.

If you do want to hear more speculation and conjecture (and by someone who does have some original ideas) then Phil Hodgetts free webinar was yesterday.

http://www.filmmakingwebinars.com/on-demand/getting-ready-for-final-cut-pro-x/

I miss that (that´s what I was looking for) ,-S

Andy Mees wrote:

If you do want to hear more speculation and conjecture (and by someone who does have some original ideas) then Phil Hodgetts free webinar was yesterday.

http://www.filmmakingwebinars.com/on-demand/getting-ready-for-final-cut-pro-x/

Talking about daft! lol

Did anyone see Phillip's seminar? I was wondering if he had any real insight, or if it was just a repeat of the speculation on his web site? I also love how Silverado has a "White Paper" out with speculation about FCP X hardware needs, and demands your first/last name and email to get it. What a marketing ploy! They don't know anything the rest of us already know about the harddware requirements.

Here is all ANYONE honestly knows about FCP X hardware requirements:

1- 64-bit means get all the RAM you can affford.

2- Grand Central means get as many of the fastest CPU cores you can afford.

3- Grand Central also means get the biggest, most badass GPU you can afford.

4- Get the fastest, largest, enterprise quailty hard drives you can afford.