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  • Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (42,285 points)

    Macden...if you don't like it, don't use it. Plenty of other options out there, like Adobe Premiere Pro, which is so close to how FCP works people are calling it FCP 8.  It has some oddness that is different and will take getting used to, but people are transitioning to that app fine.

     

    Or, like me, they are going to Avid.  But Avid is really best for broadcast editing work when you have mutliple editors and shared storage, or need offline/online cutting.  REALLY good media management.  Not the easiest to composite or blend footage.  And Premiere allows you to edit formats natively, without transcoding.

     

    Ignore **** like Black Sun. They are trolls.

     

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  • the black sun Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)
    Ignore **** like Black Sun. They are trolls.

     

    May be an *** Shane but not a troll. I've been listening for that last 18 months to anti FCPX garbage, some of which has come from your very own mouth (I listen to Kanens podcasts). How are you finding FCPX for instance? Has it created any disasters like PremPro created for you earlier this year? I'm all for competition in the market place, but do you think we can get past the 'jilted lover' rants and concentrate on what FCPX et al. do so well?

     

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  • Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (42,285 points)

    >I've been listening for that last 18 months to anti FCPX garbage, some of which has come from your very own mouth (I listen to Kanens podcasts).

     

    Yeah, I'm pretty vocal about a company that supported my market VERY well, and then just up and said, "uh, nah, we don't care about your needs anymore. These people's needs are more lucrative." Just like the did with Shake. Bought it...scrapped it.  But, I've gotten over it. Apple did what it would make it more money, and that is the goal of any business. Their decision is paying off. So I've moved on.  Just letting someone know about the alternatives that exist for what they are hoping to accomplish.

     

    >How are you finding FCPX for instance?

     

    Used it for a week. Didn't like it. Moved on

     

    >Has it created any disasters like PremPro created for you earlier this year?

     

    Disasters? I don't recall PPro causing disasters.  I've used it on small gigs and relinking to media has been a small issue. Mixing audio on it is a pain. But nothing that I'd call a disaster. If I mentioned one on a podcast or post somewhere, I've forgotten it.

     

    >I'm all for competition in the market place, but do you think we can get past the 'jilted lover' rants and concentrate on what FCPX et al. do so well?

     

    Who's ranting? I said if you don't like it, don't use it.  I was jilted by Avid...that's what caused me to move to FCP in the first place.  I ranted, and then moved on.

  • the black sun Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)

    Disasters? I don't recall PPro causing disasters.

     

    I may be wrong, but didn't you loose 3 days work because of using (something to do with the difference between the Mac and Windows verion) PremPro? Didn't you describe it as a "cluster****"" at the time? What I seem to notice is that people like you (we call them 'fair weather friends' in the UK) seem to have a highly selective memory recall.

     

    Used it for a week. Didn't like it. Moved on

     

    I admire your honesty Shane, but, using FCPX for a week (god knows what version it was?) really doesn't give you any kudos; it just makes you look stupid and vacuous.

  • Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (42,285 points)

    >I may be wrong, but didn't you loose 3 days work because of using (something to do with the difference between the Mac and Windows verion) PremPro? Didn't you describe it as a "cluster****"" at the time?

     

    I don't think that was me. I didn't take a project from PC to MAC or MAC to PC. I've only worked on it on a Mac, and my own projects, not taking over someone elses.  I have heard of that issue though. The issues I've had are media management related. Which is why I like Avid so much, it's rock solid when it comes to that. Not 100%, but pretty close.

     

    >I admire your honesty Shane, but, using FCPX for a week (god knows what version it was?) really doesn't give you any kudos; it just makes you look stupid and vacuous

     

    Yeah, I've heard from people it can take a LONG time to get used to.  The most ardent supporter on the Cow said it took 6 months.  I just noted that the magnetic timeline didn't work at all the way I liked. And it didn't do a lot of things I need done. Apple is aiming for where the ball will be. But I am where the ball is at, and I need tools to help me manage this ball. 

     

    I also work in broadcast TV, and FCX isn't marketed nor aimed at us. It's aimed at a different pro market. It no longer is competition for AVID...Premiere Pro is.  Who knows what the future may hold. But now...1.5 years after it was introduced, I have yet to see one job in town asking for FCX editors.  OK, I lie, there was one, but it was for a YouTube channel, what it is suited for.  I might be elitist because I'm in broadcast. I will admit that.  We have demanding specifications to meet, so we demand a lot from our software.  But I am trying to lighten up.  FCX has a place in this post world. Just not where I am.

  • the black sun Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)

    ... fair enough Shane.

  • Ian R. Brown Level 6 Level 6 (18,275 points)

    Hi Shane, I trust you will keep casting an eye occasionally over at FCP X as it steadily develops, because it has many excellent qualities, even though it may not suit you at present.

     

    I recollect an interview you did a few years back comparing Avid and legacy FCP in which you stated that your initial exprience with FCP 2, mainly for home use, led you and others  to regard it as a "cute toy"  but by version 4.5 it had come of age, and was suitable for serious pro editing.

     

    With a bit of luck (or maybe a lot!), FCP X may progress in a similar manner.

     

    So don't write it off completely.

  • Shane Ross Level 8 Level 8 (42,285 points)

    My eye is on it. I still visit FCX forums. I just won't make the charge with it like I did FCP Legacy.

  • the black sun Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)

    Makes sense from your point of view... Road House!

  • Paul Cuciti Level 2 Level 2 (385 points)

    Wow, seems like a perfect place to end this one-and-a-half-year thread.

  • the black sun Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)

    Thats a wrap everyone!

  • andy fb Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)

    yes, there you said it! it's a wrap!

    let's all just accept the fact that Apple is not producing products for

    professionals no more, but gimmix and toys for the masses...

    Amen!

  • the black sun Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)

    pea-brained, moronic, *******!

  • the black sun Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)

    Do you work for Adobe by any chance?... because they need somebody to get the dynamic link working between PremPRo and AE CS6

  • SebySposito Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    FINAL CUT PRO X:

    Ho provato la versione demo e devo dire che ha delle idee di base molto carine e che il programma promette bene…ma ha un grosso problema è molto instabile e non sfrutta veramente al 100% le prestazioni di un Mac Pro…vorrei acquistarlo ma sinceramente aspetto che si risolvano i problemi principali e che diventi prima di tutto STABILE. anche xchè ormai stiamo all settima edizione e una casa così importante prima di mettere in commercio un programma dovrebbe testarlo come si deve….