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  • mishmumken Level 5 Level 5 (4,000 points)

    the black sun wrote:

     

    Your cup isn't half empty you know...

    If you want to stick with the faster horse, good luck; but the rest of us like the new car

    Nope ... my cup is actually more than half full, since i already have everything I need. If you like the car, by all means get one. Me, I simply don't need the car, so I'm not gonna buy one. And you will need a paved road to drive a Ferrari, while the horse can go over all kinds of terrain. It maybe slower but in the end it'll get you there. And it will eat anything you throw at it (even if sometimes you have to rewrap some stuff to make it look better).

    Oh, and then the roundtripping ... sweeet. I just have to say "Go to the stable and fetch the saddle" and off it goes to do what it's told - and comes back.

    I'll never ditch that horse, man ... :-)

     

     

    We are not starting with the horse-and-car thing again ... are we ;-)

     

    BTW did you notice Optical Flow is now built into FCP X? Sweeet.

     

    mish

  • Mr Pi Level 2 Level 2 (275 points)

    mishmumken wrote:

     

    Where are you getting this info from? Or is it just hope?

     

    mish

     

    I like to use that rarely used thing (albeit among posters on this forum), common sense. It would be unreasonable for Apple to expect to ask $300 EVERY 6-8 mths for an upgrade/update (or whatever else a forumite might misleadingly type and call it) for something that is so obviously not what the pro's in our industry would be wanting. Think too that they are now aiming this so obviously at those who traditionally used iMovie to create their podcasts and youtubes to entice them to a 'pro' product. Those wedding vid guys definitly won't pay $300 every 6mths. Apple are lucky (and they know it) if the semi pro Spielberg-wannabes buy it at all.

    So when Larry said Upgrade, I'm sure he meant Update. This would also fit into their current AppStore Update culture and IS just common sense.

     

    Pi Digital

  • Bergkampesino Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Ai-Max wrote:

     

    Everything is going to be OK. It just takes time. Edit with whatever you are comfortable now.

     

    You sir, are far too calm and reasonable to be posting here.

  • Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (31,430 points)

    mishmumken wrote:

    ... BTW did you notice Optical Flow is now built into FCP X? Sweeet.

    ... and I study hundreds of pages of the Motion 5 Manual in search of THIS info .... arrghgh.

     

    anyhow, standing in this line for tickets ... I have time.

     

    THANKS for this info, mish!

  • mishmumken Level 5 Level 5 (4,000 points)

    Karsten Schlüter wrote:

     

    anyhow, standing in this line for tickets ... I have time.

     

    Wait .... then wait some more. It seems that Mr Pi is right about the updates. At least that is what Phillip Hodgetts is saying in his blog (so it's basically from the horses mouth. Wait are we starting with THAT again?).

    So, if XML (and some other stuff) is coming back to FCP X it would be really nice. Because Resolve Light is coming in July - for free.

     

    mish

  • nato4motion Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So we don't need Imovie any more, Right?

  • Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (31,430 points)

    mishmumken wrote:

    Wait .... Resolve Light is coming in July ...

    nodes, layers, server ... hey: there's 120 presets in Magic Bullet, click, done! me just hobbyist, no need for nodes =trying to learn Blender for about a year.... 'nodes' again!! who need a stencil nodes anyhow? aah, Pros ...-

     

    have to eBay my copy of FC/e, then FCPX ....- steady goin' ....

  • mishmumken Level 5 Level 5 (4,000 points)

    Karsten Schlüter wrote:

     

    have to eBay my copy of FC/e, then FCPX ....- steady goin' ....

     

    Don't do that! Wait more! In a little while the discontinued apps will fetch their weight in gold on the black market. And that will be a LOT .... because of the paper manuals they came with :-)

     

    mish

  • Chazfest Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Something tells me Avid will do quite nicely out of this.

     

    I'm not jumping ship right now, but if Shake is anything to go by, it's not too hard to imagine where Apple's "pro" market is now heading. It doesn't take a genius to see that at this rate, the large part of FCPs pro user base will eventually migrate to Avid. Just as Shake's user base gradually switched to Nuke, which turned out to be a much better move. The Foundry are doing amazing things and I'm sure they'll continue to do so for the foreseeable.

     

    I'd love to see Apple prove us all wrong, to bring it back to being a pro focused app, I just don't see that as their target audience any more though. I mean, with Shake (as already mentioned) they had almost the entire compositing world in their palm, and they killed it. Now, they've got Color, a big player in the Color grading world, and it now seems to have received the most unceremonious of sign offs. Not a word, and please don't anyone bumble on about the 'color board' and secondaries shapes in FCPX. This is NOT Color, nor is it a grading replacement of any kind!! All this to focus on the next iMovie(X)?

    As a long term mac user, the future of Apple unnerves me to say the least. . .

  • Olio Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    RadPixel: I haven't read every post to know if your Q was correctly answered, but I did see some misleadingly incomplete answers, so here it is:

     

    BEFORE you install FCPX on a system with FCP7/FCS, read this Apple Support page! http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4722

     

    The gist:

     

    OPTION 1: It's recommended that you partition your startup hard drive.  If you don't have the space for both another OSX install and all applications, or if you don't want to deal with the hassle and complications of doing this, there's:

     

    OPTION 2:  You need to follow a somewhat tedious (and unintuitive) process when installing FCPX to ensure that FCP7/FCS updates and 3rd party workflows will not be screwed up by the installation.  It's all explained in that Apple Support link, read it all.

     

    Thanks to Larry Jordan for pointing it out on his site.

  • nato4motion Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    can you install "IT" in your pen drive and than to throw it away in the sea? I am so angry that I am gonna stop with everything that's apple related, everything.

  • Mr Pi Level 2 Level 2 (275 points)

    Olio wrote:

     

    BEFORE you install FCPX on a system with FCP7/FCS, read this Apple Support page! http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4722

    I noticed this on Larry's site about 12hrs too late. I say 'too late' but I don't know what I'm late for. There is no info as to why this is recommended. Apple just say like 'do it or else' and when we ask 'or else what?' they reply with silence. How is one going to screw with the other. I still haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary yet AFAIK. Does anyone have any idea why this is their recommendation so that we can have educated advice?

     

    Pi

  • abernardi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

      I don't think my teeth have gotten longer... receding gums, yes... but longer teeth?  ok, back to the issue at hand.

      It might be valuable to look at this in a historical context.  I cut on film for a good 20 years before Avid decimated the cutting room.  Not that I'm sorry, I'm not.  I love the Avid and have adjusted well to it because it is designed in the spirit of the film cutting room, an honorable and deserving successor.

       While this was happening, others were trying to create new wheels and drew much from linear video tape editing, which was a vastly different mindset than film editing (remember, we didn't even have time code, we had sprockets - very dependable, except when they rip or shred, but that's another century).  Anyway we saw the EditDroid, Montage, Media100, Premiere, Lightworks, etc. and eventually FCP trying to reinvent the process.  Arguably Lightworks was Avid's only real rival. 

      But FCP was closing in on Avid as it refined aspects of both the video and film approaches...and bringing more advanced graphic and color correction tools.

       For me, I could never make the adjustment to FCP.  I've cut several things on it and we are not a good fit.  There are things to love about it, but I have to think too much about it to be creative.  Maybe it's just too much of a stretch for my sensibilities which are rooted in film.

       But now FCP-X comes along and it's intriguing.  I haven't tried it yet, but I intend to because from what little I know about it, it just might be the first really NEW approach I've seen to editing.  Avid was great to modernize the film paradigm, FCP was a good attempt of integrating film, video and computer sensibilities, but kind of a mish-mosh as a result.

       FCP-X looks new.  Not having in and out marks for instance.  Where did they come from in the first place?  I'll tell you.  When you cut film, you mark the frame you think you want for the outgoing cut with a grease pencil, a big X or O or whatever, and then you run it through the machine again and if the beat feels right, you make the cut.  You do the same thing with the incoming cut.  That's your in and out brackets.  FCP-X says we don't need that, just scrub thru the take and pull in what you want, why waste time with markers?  This seems like a step forward to me.  You're essentially picking an in and out, but it's integrated into the clip, it's more direct than it has ever been.  That's only one example of what I think is promising.

       You can complain about the state of this early release, lacking the necessary tools, etc. all you want, but I think Apple is fully acknowledging the fact that it isn't there yet by charging only 1/3 the price.  I'm excited to see what's coming and I can't wait to get my hands on it.

  • William Kucharski Level 6 Level 6 (14,890 points)

    abernardi wrote:

     

    FCP looks new.  Not having in and out marks for instance.  Where did they come from in the first place?  When you cut film, you mark the frame you think you want for the outgoing cut with a grease pencil, a big X or O or whatever, and then you run it through the machine again and if the beat feels right, you make the cut.  You do the same thing with the incoming cut.  That's your in and out brackets.  FCP-X says we don't need that, just scrub thru the take and pull in what you want, why waste time with markers?

     

    Because most professional situations need in and out points to be made to the frame and need a list of those points to be readily available for a variety of reasons, things that "scrubbing" can't easily accomplish.

     

    That doesn't mean the new paradigm isn't worthwhile, just that it's a bit harder to control.

  • Olio Level 1 Level 1 (5 points)

    Mr Pi wrote:

     

    Olio wrote:

     

    BEFORE you install FCPX on a system with FCP7/FCS, read this Apple Support page! http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4722

    I noticed this on Larry's site about 12hrs too late. I say 'too late' but I don't know what I'm late for. There is no info as to why this is recommended. Apple just say like 'do it or else' and when we ask 'or else what?' they reply with silence. How is one going to screw with the other. I still haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary yet AFAIK. Does anyone have any idea why this is their recommendation so that we can have educated advice?

     

    Pi

     

    Ah -- you have to read that whole page.  Apple does explain it, within the instructions for the 2nd, non-preferred method, which is where it matters (though it would have been clearer to put it at the top!):

     

    "Note: Final Cut Server, Podcast Producer, Software Updates for Final Cut Studio (2009), and some third-party workflows and tools may require that the Final Cut Studio (2009) applications remain in their original location in the Applications folder."

     

     

    They don't explain why you have to open Motion 4 before opening the new applications (twice), but I'm guessing it has to do with how FCP preferences are set for noting where things are located. Or something. Or other.  Probably other.

     

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