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Why is my iphone tracking my location to a secret database, wifi access points and cell towers?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy -fearshttp://www.engadget.com/2011/04/20/researchers-find-ios-4-records-your-location- in-system-file-syn/


Summary:


Security researchers have discovered that Apple's iPhone keeps track of where you go – and saves every detail of it to a secret file on the device which is then copied to the owner's computer when the two are synchronised.


What I want to know is how I can turn this off? I do NOT want this location tracked and I consider this a violation of my privacy as this is done WITHOUT my consent. Please provide a solution to TURN THIS TRACKING OFF.

Posted on Apr 20, 2011 4:57 PM

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Apr 22, 2011 5:48 AM in response to NiqueXyZ

This is true.. the only people who think its not are the Apple fanboys who think Apple can do no wrong.


Thousands more people will now jailbreak their phones, you cant stop the phone from recording the data but there is an app called untrackerd from cydia for jailbroken phones that works in the background deleting the database as it is made. and it does work, a friend has installed it and the database went from 7mb to 131kbs.


Will probably now do mine this weekend, Ive never wanted to, but Apple is now forcing you to do somthing they are so against.

Apr 23, 2011 11:47 AM in response to applefandan

@ applefandan


This is not a "minor bug". It is a huge, massive security flaw that could compromise people's lives. Think about other countries who are probably thinking of using this as we speak to track down and kill opposition figures. And Apple just sitting there not saying a word as if nothing is going on really makes me wonder if they even care.

Apr 23, 2011 11:55 AM in response to MrWhite2

Oh please.... if the map is anything like mine, the bad guys are going to need a heck of a big bomb to get me, as I appear to have spent some time in a few towns 50 or more miles away, that I have never visited. Assuming that I let them steal my phone or Mac, which I don't appear to have done.


I'm much too old to suffer from the current hysteria.... what's the next crisis going to be? My enemies can find me in the dark now because I finally got a white iPhone?

Apr 23, 2011 12:07 PM in response to MrWhite2

Mr.White2 makes excellent points. This seems to be a security flaw that might very well put lives in danger if it were to fall into the wrong hands. I'm very surprised Apple has remained silent on this issue. Or am I surprised? Marianne Jenning's has a book called "The Seven Signs of Ethical Collapse" Does Apple exhibit five of the seven?


1. Bigger than life CEO

2. Pressure to Maintain Numbers

3. Innovation Like No Other

4. Fear and Silence

5. Goodness in Some Areas Atones for Evil in Others


We shall see. As for now all I'm asking is for Apple to come clean on this. If the report is true, fix it.

Apr 23, 2011 1:07 PM in response to MrWhite2

MrWhite2 wrote:


@ applefandan


This is not a "minor bug". It is a huge, massive security flaw that could compromise people's lives. Think about other countries who are probably thinking of using this as we speak to track down and kill opposition figures. And Apple just sitting there not saying a word as if nothing is going on really makes me wonder if they even care.

Oh please. How do you propose they do that? They would have to take everyone's phone or computer and then look at their maps because any data sent to apple is sent anonymously. It is much easier to track people these days WITHOUT stealing their computer/phone. You can call up the phone company with a warrant to see their records (since they DO store information on where you have been that you can be identified by) of which towers your phone has connected to (ANY phone not just a smart phone). I mean come on.

Apr 23, 2011 2:40 PM in response to applefandan

applefandan wrote:


MrWhite2 wrote:


@ applefandan


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Oh please. How do you propose they do that? They would have to take everyone's phone or computer and then look at their maps because any data sent to apple is sent anonymously. It is much easier to track people these days WITHOUT stealing their computer/phone. You can call up the phone company with a warrant to see their records (since they DO store information on where you have been that you can be identified by) of which towers your phone has connected to (ANY phone not just a smart phone). I mean come on.

How hard, or how long it could take to use this for nefarious purposes does not matter. The fact that it is possible is inexcusable. And compounded by the fact that it has now been about 4 days without one single word from Apple.

Apr 23, 2011 2:51 PM in response to MrWhite2

MrWhite2 wrote:


applefandan wrote:


MrWhite2 wrote:


@ applefandan


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Oh please. How do you propose they do that? They would have to take everyone's phone or computer and then look at their maps because any data sent to apple is sent anonymously. It is much easier to track people these days WITHOUT stealing their computer/phone. You can call up the phone company with a warrant to see their records (since they DO store information on where you have been that you can be identified by) of which towers your phone has connected to (ANY phone not just a smart phone). I mean come on.

How hard, or how long it could take to use this for nefarious purposes does not matter. The fact that it is possible is inexcusable. And compounded by the fact that it has now been about 4 days without one single word from Apple.

It isn't that, it is the fact that it is nearly impossible. What you are saying is they can use this to track people. But in order to track where they have BEEN (they can't remotely tap into this particular file and see it update on a realtime basis) they would need to know where they already ARE so that they can take their laptop or phone. So really, just don't lose your computer or your phone ( and if you do just use find my iphone which is free so that you can remotely wipe it). So be REALISTIC. And if you REALLY want a word from apple, contact them yourself. Apple monitors these forums for appropriate posts/discussions, but this isn't specifically talking to an apple rep. call their corporate number or tech support and ask for information. ranting on this forum is going to get you nowhere.

Apr 28, 2011 12:14 PM in response to DavidK2010

OK so i assume everyone keeping track of this problem has seen apple's latest PR response (which imho is BS)


http://www.engadget.com/2011/04/27/apple-officially-answers-questions-on-locatio n-tracking-says-it/


Funniest one is this one:

6. People have identified up to a year's worth of location data being stored on the iPhone. Why does my iPhone need so much data in order to assist it in finding my location today?


Answer: "The reason the iPhone stores so much [location] data is a bug we uncovered and plan to fix shortly "


LOL, right, a 70 billion dollar company with engineers that have genius level IQs didn't PURPOSELY do this -- and they want us to believe that? I don't buy it.


Regardless of my personal feelings about the matter, they claim a new version of iOS will be out in a few weeks that (1) encrypts the cache database and (2) only keeps 7 days worth of cache and (3) does not back up the cache data when doing syncs and my personal favorite (4) when you turn off location services, it will in fact STOP creating the cache database


Sounds like an even better solution than Untrackerd to be honest.


Also, did anyone catch last night's south park?

I thought it was pretty funny -- but they kept saying that people didn't read the agreement -- which I know is probably true, but I still hold my original stance that says theres nothing in the agreement that allows them to do what they're doing...it says you can opt out of tracking by turning location services off, but if you turn location services off it STILL tracks you! So it's not a matter of not reading the agreement (even though that's most likely true!) -- it's a matter of Apple violating it, and I would hope that they face consequences for doing so.

Apr 28, 2011 12:12 PM in response to NiqueXyZ

Actually, the longer than intended storage as a bug I can certainly believe. Look a t Microsoft, Adobe, any one of hundreds of major software companies - their code is, and has been, for decades, riddled with bugs. Bug catching and fixing eats up entire divisions of programmers at big software houses, and they never seem to complete the task.


Corporate size has nothing to do with it, in fact, it seems the opposite, as the larger companies seem to have the most bugs in their software products.

Apr 28, 2011 12:22 PM in response to Michael Black

Could be, but here's the killer from their PR release:


7. When I turn off Location Services, why does my iPhone sometimes continue updating its Wi-Fi and cell tower data from Apple's crowd-sourced database?

Answer: It shouldn't. This is a bug, which we plan to fix shortly (see Software Update section below).


They voilated the terms of the agreement by updating the tracking database even when you turn location services off. It clearly says that you can opt out by turning location services off.


Bug or not, that's a big problem.

I believe restitution is owed.

Why is my iphone tracking my location to a secret database, wifi access points and cell towers?

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