How do I get flash player on iPad.

Matthew Morgan wrote:

That's perfect but they'd have a hard time fitting it here (which, of course, is where it belongs):

http://www.apple.com/ipad/built-in-apps/safari.html

I think Steve Jobs made it pretty clear that Apple's postiiton is that Flash is not a web standard.

Based on this statement, one would not expect any kind of disclaimer abot the iPad.

Please understand, I'm trying to explain, not defend Apple here.

Matt

I understand. Please understand that I am trying to explain why the non-geek purchasers are upset.

There is no question that Mr. Jobs' statement was clear and comprehensive. The problem is that the vast majority of potential purchasers (the non-geeks) have never seen it and actually have had no reason to search for it. Apple's iPad ads give the distinct impression that the iPad web support is virtually limitless. It's not much different that a new car that runs really really great on everything except Exxon gasoline. I would never think of investigating that limitation.

"Maybe next time you might do some research first so that there is so whining and moaning then. Allan"

You're absolutely right on that point. Apple has always delivered more than what it promised - until now. I did research my new phone and I bought an Android which I believed was better than the iphone. It is. No complaints there.

There is no question that Mr. Jobs' statement was clear and comprehensive. The problem is that the vast majority of potential purchasers (the non-geeks) have never seen it and actually have had no reason to search for it.

Yes they have. They may not have read it personally, but they knew about it the moment that he released it. Every Apple hater and detractor there is made sure the whole world knew about. If you someone did not hear, they either live off the grid with no real technology, or under a rock.

deggie wrote:

"The non-geeks that I know of have no clue what Flash is. They just "Google" what they want and bookmark what they like."

Yes, these would be the same people that don't change the oil on their car, never change their air conditioner filters, don't clean the diswasher filter, remove lint from the lint filter, etc. And have to ask their grandchildren to set their DVR.

That's right. They take the car to the shop and tell the mechanic to do whatever is necessary. State-of-the-art cars cater to them with the computerized alerts that appear on the dashboard whenever service is appropriate. These individuals represent the vast majority of automobile purchasers.

Yes, their grandchildren set their DVRs but it's not the grandchildren that pay for the DVRs. Doesn't it make sense to cater to those that actually make the purchases?

I've never cleaned a dishwasher filter in my entire life. In fact, I've never seen a dishwasher that has a filter that needs cleaning.

Dah•veed wrote:

There is no question that Mr. Jobs' statement was clear and comprehensive. The problem is that the vast majority of potential purchasers (the non-geeks) have never seen it and actually have had no reason to search for it.

Yes they have. They may not have read it personally, but they knew about it the moment that he released it. Every Apple hater and detractor there is made sure the whole world knew about. If you someone did not hear, they either live off the grid with no real technology, or under a rock.

I am not talking about Apple haters and detractors. I am talking about the vast majority of iPad purchasers. Perhaps in your geek circle of friends and family, normal conversation involves Flash and other comptereze but most normal human beings are clueless regarding Flash, TCP/IP, FEC, ARQ, IOS, OS, etc.

There is no question that Mr. Jobs' statement was clear and comprehensive. The problem is that the vast majority of potential purchasers (the non-geeks) have never seen it and actually have had no reason to search for it. Apple's iPad ads give the distinct impression that the iPad web support is virtually limitless. It's not much different that a new car that runs really really great on everything except Exxon gasoline. I would never think of investigating that limitation.

I understand and appreciate your argument.

Gasoline is a commodity. Flash is not.

Your compaison is better stated as "would you buy a car that only runs on Exxon gasoline".

Matt

"I do not believe that folks have not had to deal with Flash by needing to update it to get to the Flash content they so desperately need."

Precisely the point of this thread - how could we update the iPad to get flash?

Matthew Morgan wrote:

There is no question that Mr. Jobs' statement was clear and comprehensive. The problem is that the vast majority of potential purchasers (the non-geeks) have never seen it and actually have had no reason to search for it. Apple's iPad ads give the distinct impression that the iPad web support is virtually limitless. It's not much different that a new car that runs really really great on everything except Exxon gasoline. I would never think of investigating that limitation.

I understand and appreciate your argument.

Gasoline is a commodity. Flash is not.

Your compaison is better stated as "would you buy a car that only runs on Exxon gasoline".

Matt

Any analogy can be broken. However, I'll accept your version of the comparison. I'd still be quite upset if the car manufacturer did not make the appropriate disclaimer right in my face as such a limitation is not something that I would reasonably expect and also not something that I would feel a need to investigate.

I am not talking about Apple haters and detractors. I am talking about the vast majority of iPad purchasers. Perhaps in your geek circle of friends and family, normal conversation involves Flash and other comptereze but most normal human beings are clueless regarding Flash, TCP/IP, FEC, ARQ, IOS, OS, etc.

This is an interesting point.

As simple as Apple and others want to make it seem, the reality is that if you scratch too far below the surface, computers, iPads, iPhones etc. are complicated devices.

They are not toasters. To get the most out of them, one must invest some time. That should be the disclaimer!

Matt

You missed the point, I was not talking about the haters and detracors either. Thehaters and the detractors let the whole world know about the fact that Apple would not have Flash on iOS devices. And every non-geek I know called to ask about it and wht the implications were. The haters made a super big stink, as did Adobe. The whole world knew, including comon every day Mexicans who cannot even afford a Mac or iPad.

Sorry Philly_Phan, it is an excuse that these folks did not know and it holds no water. The whole world is made painfully aware of every step Apple takes, good and bad.

"Yes they have. They may not have read it personally, but they knew about it the moment that he released it. Every Apple hater and detractor there is made sure the whole world knew about. If you someone did not hear, they either live off the grid with no real technology, or under a rock."

You're pretty derisive toward people who don't hang on every tidbit from the tech world. I guarantee there are more of us than there are techies.

That attack yet holds no water. Gas is a commodity in the physical world. Flash is a commodity for the internet.

Flash is an element of the internet most people expect to "just work", just like most people expect the gas from different companies to "just work" on their vehicles.

Cars are vastly more complex than iPads yet most people rely on the dashboard service reminders. These people then go the mechanic and say "Do whatever is necessary." ****, in a past life, I worked as an engineer for GM and I rely on those service reminders!

You are, of course, different. You would invest time before purchasing a new car. You would never rely on disclaimers. You would ALWAYS investigate to determine if the car you're considering will run on non-Exxon gasoline, right?

Dah•veed wrote:

You missed the point, I was not talking about the haters and detracors either.

Then why did you even mention them?

Dah•veed wrote:

The haters made a super big stink...

There you go again.

Dah•veed wrote:

The whole world is made painfully aware of every step Apple takes, good and bad.

Bull. Most iPad purchasers know nothing about the technology. They're merely users.

tpulak wrote:

That attack yet holds no water. Gas is a commodity in the physical world. Flash is a commodity for the internet.

No it's not. Much as Adobe wants you to think otherwise, Flash is proprietary. To create site contetnt using Flash you need Adobe. To view it you need Adobe.

Things like gasoline, pork bellies and orange juice are commodites. That's how Apple views the web. No single company should have the abiltiy to make it work in a particualar way reliant on their propriety products.

Much as Adobe would like you to think otherwise, Flash is not a "just works" part of the internet. Certainly not in the post-pc world.

Matt