Xserve as a Primary computer?

I've recently purchased a small publishing company and all of the buildings I've aquired have a server room (Aproximately 65 Xserve G5 2Ghz Dual and about 5-6TB of Raid Storage.) I was wondering if I could use these exserves as primary computers? I was thinking of spliting them up and keeping half in server rooms, for inventory and factory information as well as of course the company website. However I would like to take the othe rhalf and put them in my studios, For image rendering through Adobe, Aperture, Etc.... Is this possible using and exserve as a individual computer or even linking them to act as a single "Super Computer" I don't have much experience withs erver products so everybit is helpful. The company currently has them linked to the systems at my Distribution center so I asume inventory will be easy to take care of, however I would welcome any and all info.


iBook G4, Powermac Quad, iMac G5, Powerbook (wallstreet), Newton Message Pad, Mac OS X (10.4.3) 1.25 GB, 2.5 GB, 512 MB, 128 MB, Pssh I Think like 32MB?

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Posted on Jan 6, 2006 7:14 PM

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Jan 6, 2006 10:58 PM in response to Skate-Surf-Then My iBook__

Other than form factor, there's no significant difference between using an XServe on your desktop vs. a PowerMac.

You can even install Mac OS X (client) software if you want (some apps such as iLife won't install on the 'Server' OS).

As for hooking them all together to form a 'super computer', that depends on the applications you're using. You can use XGrid for some tasks, although many high-end production systems use their own distributed computing engine, so you'd need to check each app to see what options it supports.

Jan 7, 2006 8:25 AM in response to Skate-Surf-Then My iBook__

Lucky you!

That is a boatload of Xserves! Are you sure that you won't want to keep them all configured to do whatever it was they were doing before?

Whoever set that playroom up had some serious horsepower behind his/her intentions. If it is a publishing company, aren't they using something on the front end for workstations?

I am sorry to be so intrusive, but my instincts tell me that your situation may be more along the lines of properly converting your current horsepower to serve your current and immediate needs. If you do not "need" all of the XServes, perhaps there is a company that might be willing to take a few off of your hands in exchange for some nice Quad workstations or something equally as appealling.

By the way, are you taking resume's for someone to give you a hand?

Good Luck!

-DaddyP

Jan 7, 2006 2:24 PM in response to DaddyPaycheck

First off thank you both for your resposes. This will definately lead me in the most apropriate direction for the time being.

The Design Studio's is composed primarily of Powermac G5 (Not quad 😟 <- But they came with the company so I wont complain) and iMac G4's. I am currently being told that this system was set up in order to process client orders and product that will be sent over the net. However I'm not sure 100%, I know that they did inventory with the system and that the entire company is networked each building with its own storage (the Raid System) As well as a VPN set up so employees could access their files or something from home (I Don't know what a VPN is?) The previous company had 600-700 employees total [they were not fired but merely transfered to seperate division of the company, I now own the Publishing "Firm". In my previous publishing company, the average "product" ranged from 100-150 GB images, pages, etc. The biggest client at the moment that I've been in talks with is a Local news Paper looking for a new Printer so....

As for selling the XServes, as much as I'd love to make some cash, I am a "mac head" so I like the idea of all this power if what you have said is true. However there are some Nasty Dell PowerEdge Servers that we found in the backs of the server rooms the other night, they will be on eBay soon, we have no need for them we are planning to handle all production in house face to face with out clients. (the previous owners allowed the customer to do all the work and send over network meaning they wanted a windows server or something to handle this [they were all disconnected from the network when we found them, I guess they had to much downtime]

I have a full staff (production artist, general artist, 3D and 2D editorial engineer, etc. etc.) lined up. However if handling the servers becomes to difficult I will be looking for a Maintnance Staff, and I will try through these forums, since they've helped so much.

Jan 10, 2006 8:24 AM in response to Skate-Surf-Then My iBook__

I know this isn't the forum for this but, you dont' have a public e-mail posted.

I work for a small school in Northern New Hampshire. I have a very minimal technology budget.

I'm wondering if you'd be interested in selling cheap or donating (we're a non-profit) one of the xserves (or otherwise) to us. As a non profit it would eb a tax deductable donation.

Thanks,
Andy

andyw@whitemountain.org

Jan 10, 2006 7:59 PM in response to Andy White1

Andy,
At the moment we do not know what we will be doing with these machines, however if they are deemed to be non-crucial pieces of the companies computer structure, before we sell any of them we will make every effort to dontae or furthermore sell at a low price to school systems. I have your e-mail and will contact you myself if this event arises. At the moment however I am quite busy as you can understand with other troubles in establishing a new company. However this issues is to be resolved soon, we are suposed to have the network up by March 17. So at this time I am out of the loop as to what my options will be.

However I did come up with a final number of the XServes. They were not all G5's some were G4's (I guess they all look the same?) However the final tally as of this afternoon was 63 XServe G5's [Between 4 Buildings] and 67 G4's. [2 Buildings] Raid Storage was a total of 15 TB [All 4] My original count was off sorry but I am told that this is still alot of power for our network to burn.



Mac OS X (10.4.3)

Jan 11, 2006 1:29 AM in response to Skate-Surf-Then My iBook__

Dear Mr Skate/Surf etc.

63 Servers is a lot (that's about $250K at present costs!) - but not much storage space if your divide over the servers that is... If the count is correct then about every 10 people had their own server ! ?

WOW... That sounds weird !

Down to business though...

As the others have mentioned you can use these macs for different purposes BUT...

The Xserve is designed to live in a server room ie: their fans aren't as quiet as a desktop machine. Not sure about the newer Xserves but the one's I've had have been SO noisey people have complained about them and in one instance I needed to soundproof the cabinet it was in !

So if you are interested in pursuing this avenue, get someone to grab one of the newer ones and put it on a desk (or under if you can find room) and see for yourself.

I think you'll find them too noisey for anything other than servers in a server room...

Anyone else agree ?

Good luck !

Mitch

PS: RE: "However if handling the servers becomes to difficult I will be looking for a Maintnance Staff, and I will try through these forums, since they've helped so much." - If you retain the equipment as is, I'd be seriously looking for at least 1 technician to maintain the stuff, otherwise you'll be spending all YOUR time doing it !

Jan 11, 2006 5:10 AM in response to Skate-Surf-Then My iBook__

That is a bigger boatload of toys than I originally imagined. Somebody was having some fun ;>)

Another point I do not believe that the others have mentioned yet and that is SECURITY.

If someone sold that large of a physical plant then I am guessing that at least one person whose job it was to keep the gear going has been "displaced". Should you put that system online and as-is, security should be paramount. That person or persons would at least be capable of doing your company great damage.

The job of getting that stuff all back up and running securely and smoothly will certainly be a challenging one to say the least. But having been through this myself in a medical facility I can almost bet that the job will be a daunting one. There is no telling what "surprises" may lay in store for the "next guy" .

Once you have worked through all of your start-up issues and your systems are stable, this should be a very reliable and capable system for most of your needs.

I will agree that it doesn't seem like enough storage capacity for what you have described. Are you sure that you got ALL of the storage devices?

Hint: look for empty spaces in racks with no dust around the "blanks" that cover the openings. Most systems suck dust through every crevice possible, and if that system was operating for any length of time at all dust will have accumulated around the edges of the blank. If you have empty spaces in a rack with no blank covers then the IT guy knew little about cooling rack mounted equipment (doubt it) or something is missing.

You will also know soon enough if you flip the switch and it starts reporting missing hardware.

It sounds like you have this under control. But remember, Macs (even servers) make up a small percentage of the total computer systems out there. Whomever you have assisting you (especially if it is a recovery company or some other contracted service) should know their stuff when it comes to assisting you. You have a lot of horsepower there, but it won't do you any good if someone else has the keys.

Good luck!

We are here!

-DaddyP

Jan 16, 2006 10:09 AM in response to Skate-Surf-Then My iBook__

"However if handling the servers becomes to difficult I will be looking for a Maintnance Staff, and I will try through these forums, since they've helped so much."

If you need someone, depending upon where you are, either myself or someone I know would be willing to assist you. I have a range of people along the east coast that are willing to work in a networking type field such as this. Most CCNA certified. I myself have taken courses in Mac OS X Server and Mac OS X Tiger as well as CCNA.

I am currently working on getting funding to begin a new server project here at a local high school to power a state of the art multimedia lab.

If you are interested in this you can email me for more information.

These forums are truly great. I find myself constantly coming here for suggestions and tips.

Jan 25, 2006 5:28 PM in response to rypsmith

At the moment I myself have not been to all the buildings, Just my future office.
However as to the security, I have not moved my company in yet, all of my employee's are still in Maine. So for the time being it is a transition war with me trying to move the previous company out by Febuary. Should I look into "Recruiting" their systems guy? I mean I was told that this perticular systme had less than a 2% down time so I assume he is good, or they. The system has been off line itself for over 6 months, and I have had a cleaning crew in 2 of the buildings for a while. Yes the noise level would be a concern, most of my graphical engineers are snobs who complain when the AC turns on so if this system would be loud at their desk I would go through ****. Can you simply use this system as a bulk processor, i mean run the apps on the iMac's and Powermac's yet use these servers in the server rooms for the heavy lifting. The previous company used 70% of the bandwith or what not to transfer data between these locations. I really don't know what to do at this point. My investors at this point would like to call Apple, for a consult or something. this is nerve recking. but at this point all I've used any of these computers (Powermacs that is) is to do my sons science project. Wow, what a waste of technology, He Got an "A+". I guess now I can call that a 250,000$ A+. Well thanks for all your help. again.

Jan 26, 2006 6:09 AM in response to Skate-Surf-Then My iBook__

If you have some really processor intensive applications, you could easily run them on your Xserves, and access them with Apple Remote Desktop. It'd be almost like having the Xserve right at your desk without having to tolerate the really loud fan noise.

We have 2 Xserves in a soundproof rack in the next room, and they are still too loud, so you certainly wouldn't want to try to make your graphics snobs cohabitate with them.

-jason

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