Unexplained 02 Data Allowance Drain at Midnight

Hi all. I don't think I've ever had reason to post on here before so I'm hoping that, perhaps, some of you knowledgable lot might be able to help me.


I've had an iPhone on 02 (UK) since they first came out and with each year have upgraded to the latest model. I've had the iPhone 4 since July last year.


I know that recently 02 reduced their "Unlimited" data allowance to 500MB. This never really caused me concern because I never really used data apart from when I was at home over Wi-Fi. Recently, however, I've received a text message saying that I was 80% through my 500MB allowance. I thought this a bit strange but paid an extra £5 for 500MB more to cover me for the rest of the month.


Now, tonight, curious about what I had done differently to accrue such a large use of my data allowance, I checked my bill. It seems that every evening, normally around midnight, I have a large data usage. Now, previously, I'd guessed that the data usage accrued throughout the day was submitted to 02 in one large chunk. However, on the 26th April I used 340MB of my 500MB data allowance, and the next day used a further 180MB!


I couldn't understand where this had come from; I do not live-stream TV or radio over 3G. I don't even do that over Wi-Fi! I don't download anything over 3G. Whilst I'm at work and whilst I'm at home I'm under a Wi-Fi connection. The only data allowance I might use is a quick check of Facebook for 5 minutes before I walk into work in a morning.


Now, on the two days that I've accrued these massive data usages, I made several Facetime calls to my partner who was away training for a new job. This is the only thing that I've done differently. I thought that Facetime usage came out of your Wi-Fi and NOT your data allowance.


Anyway, through 02's website, they offer a chat service with their online representatives. I used this service to talk to someone who, I had hoped, might have been able to help. Now through subsequent phone calls to 02 I have actually learnt that much of what this person told me is untrue but here is what i was told.


Facetime calls are chargeable.

  • The person later corrected herself on this.


Facetime calls will start via Wi-Fi but if, for whatever reason, connection is lost, Facetime will be maintained via 3G; "If some time the Wi-Fi get discoonected you connected to 3G for the beter responce" 02's representative explained.

  • I don't think that this is true but it might explain my massive data use; the call was about an hour long. Having said that, how do iPod Touches maintain their connection; I've got a 4G Touch and despite using it for the occasional Facetime call, have never had a problem.


Facetime depletes your data allowance

  • I thought that the fact that Facetime is done over Wi-Fi means that it would be deducted from the unlimited Wi-Fi allowance and NOT the 3G/data allowance.


The person then seemingly contradicted herself by saying that Facetime calls made over Wi-Fi are completely at Internet Service Provider's costing & discretion. The lady explained: "I'm sorry for this but the Facetime is work on Wi-Fi and the Wi-Fi service providers are different"


The person told me to delete Facetime so as to better conserve my data allowance if I needed to make it last!

  • I don't think this is even possible. I explained this and she then said "No, don't delete Facetime".


After that I think I was even more concerned than when I started!!


At this point the lady offered me a £2 credit against my account, which whilst appreciated, doesn't really solve the problem. She gave me 02's iPhone Technical Support line (2302) as it was a "technical issue".




Now, having rung 02 and explained the situation, they explained that whilst Facetime wasn't strictly chargeable, it does still come off your data allowance. However, if you exceed your 500MB data allowance, you do not get charged any more, the level of service is simply a "bit slower". In essence, it was explained, the Facetime calls hadn't cost me anything.


I explained that whilst the calls weren't costing me anything in themselves, I was still having to pay extra to maintain the same service-level that I had previously experienced. The lady agreed with what I was saying and said that she would consult with two different departments to see if she could trace what the large data-usages originated from.


The lady returned and explained that, further to her discussions with other departments, Facetime couldn't possibly be the result of the data usage. She said that it had to be TV/Radio streaming. I know categorically that the only thing that I used my iPhone for that night was the Facetime calls. I don't stream any content at all! For viewing of any content I use a TV or, for iPlayer, my PS3 or iPad, but never my iPhone!


I stressed this to the lady that it could only be the Facetime and she denied that it could be. She went back to her department and checked again. Upon her return she asked what time I had made the Facetime calls (which were around 8pm). Having explained this she said that the data usage occurred at 00:00:00 and that as such it could not have been the Facetime calls. I know that Facetime calls can't be done over 3G so I can see the point that she's making but what else could it be?? And at that time??


I looked at the bill myself and pointed out that at 00:00:00 almost every night I had a data-usage, not just on the nights in question. I said that having already noticed this previously, I assumed that the iPhone simply submitted the total data-usage in one go and not just as-and-when. The lady said that data would be submitted as it was used and that, with neither party able to explain the usage, it must be down to a third-party using my data allowance remotely from the phone overnight.


I don't think that data is shown on the bill as and when it was used because on occasions when I know I've used 3G, no mention is made on the bill.




Now my partner has 02 and we had checked that bill to see whether he had a massive data usage which corresponded to mine, which he didn't. He has data usages at midnight most-nights but for the Facetime calls (some of which were made by him) he has no excessive data usage.


I've searched via Google and found various other people on various other networks who have the same mysterious midnight data-usages.


Still on the phone with the poor lady from 02 I pointed this out, which she couldn't really answer. She said that she was contacting a Security department who could directly check what the content related to and that she would get back to me within 5 days, which, with the current Bank Holidays in the UK, is likely to be a week on Tuesday. She remains adamant that my iPhone is being accessed remotely, or "is being updated by third-party apps" which, with the number of people having similar midnight data issues, I doubt.


I know this has turned out to be a mammoth post, and for that I'm sorry, but has anyone else had similar experiences? How have they been resolved?


Does Facetime get taken off your data allowance? One person from 02 says yes, another says no.


Finally what could the two massive data-usages relate to, if not Facetime? I know that there's likely no way to prove that I wasn't streaming TV/radio content but I can say with absolute certainty that no such feature was used.


We had used the GPS for hiking one day in the month but my usage for that particular day in question was only about 30MB so I've ruled that out.


The icing on the cake was that at the end of the conversation, when it was explained that all that could be done was wait for the Security department to get back in touch, the lady asked me "What are iPhones like then? Mine's been delivered today and is waiting for me at home."


Suffice to say I was shocked almost speechless. Almost anyway...


I've got her line & extension number so in the event that she doesn't bother to call me back, I can call her.


Hope you can offer some insight though!!

J.

iPhone 4, iOS 4.3.1

Posted on Apr 30, 2011 11:20 AM

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Jul 25, 2011 11:20 AM in response to code937

The critical thing is the amount you are actually being charged at the end of the month. Since a couple of days before the iPhone was delivered in the UK I have been relentlessly charged £20.42 per month (since the VAT increase) for 300 minutes, unlimited texts and (sorry - major gloat) unlimited data. No way am I ever changing this O2 contract!

Aug 8, 2011 5:25 AM in response to JPlace86

Hello,


I was wonderingif you have had any resolution to your problem? I’ve recently discovered (onlyin July/Aug) the same problem! My billing date refreshed 07/08 – and I receiveda text last night claiming that I have used all of it up! The only thing I couldthink of today was that there was an email “stuck” in my outbox of my mailfeature – which I have deleted – but impatience and left me looking for answersstill! It’s very frustrating as I have just paid for a “Bolt On” for 1GB (whichis already half gone!) and I just can’t seem to figure it out! Would appreciateANY help. Thank you. Cat.

Aug 22, 2011 12:37 PM in response to JPlace86

I'm having exactly the same, I've just got off the phone from O2 and feeling infuriated - so glad I found this post! I got two texts within 5 minutes of each other, the 80% warning and then the notice that I have used it all. I've never used more than 200MB in a month, I just check e-mails, the occasional youtube vid and facebook updates... and now in one day I have allegedly used 472MB!! The guy I spoke to was just plane rude, he kept saying that I must have used it and that the system couldn't be wrong. He said maybe someone borrowed my phone and I didnt realise... Ive been at work all day with it in my pocket! I'll try this Laura Cameron person if I have no luck. Stupid 02, grrr.

Aug 24, 2011 11:17 AM in response to JPlace86

I've had a similar, if slightly different experience. I checked my phone at 8am, removing it from being charged overnight and noticed it was at 98%, not the usual 100%. Two hours later it was down to 48% - not bad going even by the iphone's standards, considering the phone was just sitting on the table, unused. A few hours later I got the dreaded '80% data used' text. Having checked the 'meter' earlier in the day, it seems I had used 350Mb - for no apparent reason.

The only thing that is different to previous months is my SkyGo app that I downloaded a few days ago. Needless to say I hadn't been using it during the mentioned period. Is it possible that it runs somehow in the background? That would certainly explain the battery drain and enormous Mb usage.

Am really hoping this is a one-off glitch in the system somewhere as I don't want to have to continually worry about it.

Aug 25, 2011 11:58 PM in response to JPlace86

Add me to those who have had this. Got the 80% text at about 11pm. Was puzzled by this but rather late in the evening to want to query it. Completely powered my iPhone4 down, after having closed everything, including push notifications etc. Woke this morning, Switched on and found I had "used" the other 20% overnight.


I then found this forum. Thanks for confirming it's not just me. Keep posting comments and experiences with O2. I am going to contact them shortly.


Tom

Aug 26, 2011 2:32 AM in response to JPlace86

OK, update. Two calls to 02 Support agents, and if anything I am now more annoyed than before.


First agent explained that I could see my usage by viewing options under My Bill on My 02, and gave the story related by others, that the problem was probably down to background updates overnight, that would show as used data as soon as as I switched my iPhone on. The agent dismissed anything said on these forums as "the rumour mill" and said that as far as she knew, 02 had never come across the problem before. I asked that she check that, and was put on hold for several minutes. Whether she actually checked anything with a supervisor etc, I have no idea, but it did not change her view.


I then found that when I logged on to My 02, I was unable to see the My Bill option. There was simply no tab for this. There is a screen option that is supposed to help get around this and send you a username reminder. I used it three times, all with no effect. I recall this same problem with 02 several years ago with a different phone. I think I just gave up trying back then.


I made another call to 02 support, to a different agent. He talked through what I needed to do (ie everything I had done already) and assured me it "ought to work". Two other points, however. He said I can get usage data by loading the My 02 App, from the App Store. I didn't know of it. He also said that his records showed I had 60mb of my 500mb allowance left, so should not have had the 100% used text. However, I was also told that I had used mobile data very heavily "yesterday" and this could be the cause of the problem. As I spent all of yesterday at my mother's funeral, and used no data at all, that case simply doesn't hold up.


So, I tried the My 02 iPhone app. What a failure. Even before you load it, there is an apology on the page about difficulties using it. I looked at the 02 blog page they refer you to, and can see that this has been a problem since the app was launched in August 2009. What a shambles. Predictably, when I tried to log in, it would not load. After a dozen attempts, I've deleted it.


I had further tries to log in to my 02 and view My Bill. All the same - successful log in, but no My Bill tab on the left of the screen. I have now sent an e-mail to 02 support. Interesting that their web site promises a reply in 24 hours, but the acknowledgement e-mail you get extends this to 48 hours.


What a bloody shambles they are, eh?


Tom

Aug 26, 2011 2:50 AM in response to Tomp2

The O2 app works fine for me, it had some issues when it first came out, they do shut it now and then for server work but I just logged fine, and have been able to for months, as long as you use the same password you use to log into your main account online it should work fine, I would try again. It does not show data useage if you are using wifi so either turn wifi off briefly in a hotspot of at home or wait till you are out and about. Its not the greatest app in the world, but its also not the worst.

Aug 26, 2011 12:02 PM in response to JPlace86

I find the O2 app works fine on the phone, only thing is the meters go from right to left for the minutes and texts, and from left to right for the data. Bit confusing?

Anyway I just wanted to ask if anybody bothers to close down their apps after use, by doing the double home button press then pressing the app to get the minus sign? I was only told about this yesterday, so now I'm doing that every time. I'm hoping this might solve the problem? Would be nice to know if any of you who have had the midnight drain problem also do this - in which case my theory is trashed!

Aug 26, 2011 2:39 PM in response to JPlace86

Hi there. After reading this post, I felt compelled to register and share my experience. Okay, so I haven't got an iPhone so please forgive me, but I do hope my post may help.


Originally, I was with Virgin and had a Samsung Tocco Lite, which wasn't a smartphone as such. Out of my 1gb monthly allowance, I used no more than 100mb per month. No video streaming, no downloading of music; just the normal Hotmail, Facebook, Twitter, BBC etc etc. And I would surf approx two hours per day.


In my infinite wisdom, I then joined O2 and purchased a Samsung Galaxy Ace Android with 500mb monthly data allowance. I was aware that my phone downloaded the data in a richer text format and that I may use a fraction more data than my previous phone, but after just two weeks I had reached my 500mb allowance. I decided to buy an extra 500mb bolt-on to see me through the month and just put it down to the fact that I had downloaded a few apps etc and that I was an Android newbie. The following month, I had reached my 1gb allowance and bought another 500mb. Now at this point I started wondering if there was an issue with the phone as all my friends had told me that they did much, much more than me with their iPhones (YouTube, Sky Tv, etc etc) and they barely scratched the surface of 300mb per month (and they were with other service providers). One morning, I had left my internet connection open whilst travelling an hour to work. My phone had used 80mb of data! Er, "where from?" I thought. I contacted O2 and they advised me that at midnight there is data synchronization etc, so they advised me to change a few settings.


In the meantime, I had contacted O2 and after a long conversation with them, they instigated a "network investigation" and I am waiting to hear back from them.


Now a few days ago, I changed my stock browser to Opera Mini and UNCHECKED the following settings:

- USE PACKET DATA (when not using the phone)

- UNKNOWN INSTALLATION OF NON-MARKET DATA

- BACKGROUND DATA

- BACK UP MY DATA

- AUTOMATIC NETWORK-PROVIDER DATE/TIME SETTINGS

- MY LOCATION


Now changing these settings virtually renders my phone as "not-so-smart-phone", but I have noticed a massive reduction in data usage. For example, surfing data previously would use about 7mb per 10 minutes! I have used my phone today for approx two hours and have used only 12mb! And this has been the same over the past two days.


This could be down to all my setting changes, or the fact that Opera Mini firstly sends the data to their servers, strips out the rubbish, and then delivers the content to your phone in smaller packets and also it's a much quicker browser because of it.


Or is it that O2 have done something in the background???


Who knows.


Thanks for listening.

Aug 27, 2011 2:37 PM in response to JPlace86

This has happened to my wifes iPhone 3GS on o2!

Everything was fine first year of o2 iphone sim untill the free internet changed to pay n go with 500mb of data per month, After just 2 weeks she got a txt 450mb used already? Next day txt £1 a day for internet!

Luckily I had a spare o2 sim which I used a while ago in iphone with no probs told the wife who is in the house most of the time to use wifi, 2 weeks later same txt 450mb used!!!!!!!

Busy updating (and wiping clean with DFU mode)

Changing to 3 network with unlimited data for £15 a month but also have o2 broadband which im now going to have to cancel because it was half price when using o2 sim!

Still not sure what caused this? Also I unlocked iPhone through o2 if that had anything to do with it?

I think o2 want you to buy these new bolt ons £10 a month for 1GB.

Aug 27, 2011 2:50 PM in response to Dazza7111

The more I read, here and elsewhere, I am coming round to the view that this is an O2 scam to try to panic users into buying more data. The irony in my case is that I have already opted for a data increase, so that I can use my iPhone on tethering, but the increase doesn't come in until October, as I am going to be abroad for most of the time before then.


I have eventually had a reply from O2 about accessing my account from their web site. Trouble is, I can't get that to work either at present.


I am also seriously thinking about switching to a provider like 3.

Aug 27, 2011 3:47 PM in response to Tomp2

Well I switched to Three and whilst I suppose it depends on where you live, whilst my phone signal has only improved slightly, the 3g coverage is by far superior. What's disappointing is that even after all this time and all of our complaints 02 still don't seem to acknowledge that there's an issue. I'm just glad I swapped; I know that I never came close to using 02s 500mb quota (despite what they might say) but I pay the same price with Three for the same minutes/texts allowance without having to worry about my data usage at all.

Aug 28, 2011 4:30 AM in response to JPlace86

Thanks.


I have at last been able to get at the "My Bill" section of O2's site, following exchanges with their technical people. One significant problem seems to be that the on-line username reminder facility gives you a quite useless user name. You need the one O2 issued originally, and I had long since mislaid that.


I was able to look at my daily usage total. Anyone know if there is any way to get beneath those figures, and to see which sites etc the usage went to? Having got to the totals, when I click any option, I just get an error message saying "EBPP_1102: An error has occurred for the UserName xxxxxx while processing the account number xxxxxxx and role 2 that you have requested" (I've added the x's instead of the real details there) No idea what that error means.


However, my basic data usage figures don't stack up. In the last ten days, my daily usage has gone through the roof, according to O2. That includes using more than 60mb on the day I was at my mother's funeral and made no use of my telephone whatsoever!


More incredible than that, however, is that on the day after I was told I had used all of my 500mb allowance - a day on which I made no data use of my phone at all, I am shown as having used 90mb the following midnight. That's virtually 20% of my data used on a day when I know for certain that I had the phone set to "airplane mode" in order not to use any data inadvertently.


Frankly, this really is beginning to look like an attempt by o2 to persuade users to upgrade their data allowance, though doing so by falsifying data use would, of course, be criminal - literally.


I have challenged O2 on this, and asked for access to more detail (in case the error message is preventing me seeing it).


The idea of switching to 3 is tempting. I have used a 3 mifi dongle for a while, with my iPad, and have not yet had problems with reception, except at one notorious local point where O2 signals are rubbish too.

Sep 3, 2011 5:33 AM in response to JPlace86

Has there ever been solution to this problem, because I have the same data drainage problem.

I use WiFi at work and at home, so I am only meant to incur data usage while out and about

except all my data usage seem to be at 00:00hrs when I am suppose to be on WiFi at home

and my ISP is O2

Has there been an explanation for this?

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